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Post by carl1960 on Jan 20, 2012 11:27:44 GMT
So here is my complaint:Full Complaint: Once again we have witnessed a foreign worker slagging of the English. On your article an Albanian "chef" made remarks about English work ethics followed by an interview in a similar vein with the restaurant owner. As usual there was no balancing interview to refute these comments. I find these remarks offensive and unwarranted and just not true.. I personally am sick to death of the agenda you have on this issue. I still have not forgotten the stitch up job you did on “the day the immigrants went home" program. Perhaps you would like to confirm the BBC view on the English work ethic? Here is the rely:Reference CAS-1239122-NBW6Z7
Reference CAS-1239122-NBW6Z7
Thanks for contacting us about ‘BBC News at Six’ broadcast on 10 January.
I understand you felt the views of the Albanian chef shouldn’t have been aired during the item on immigration. I note you found the comments about English workers offensive.
Part of our role as an impartial observer is to report a wide range of views on a particular topic and we make no editorial comment or judgement on the views expressed by contributors. Our aim is to simply provide enough information for viewers to make up their own minds. This may include hearing opinions which you personally disagree with but which individuals may be fully entitled to hold in the context of legitimate debate.
However, I appreciate you felt this chef's comments shouldn't have been aired and I'd like to assure you that I’ve registered your complaint on our audience log. This is a daily report of audience feedback that’s made available to many BBC staff, including members of the BBC Executive Board, channel controllers and other senior managers.
The audience logs are seen as important documents that can help shape decisions about future programming and content.
Thanks again for taking the time to contact us.
Kind Regards
Leanne Bennett
The audience logs are seen as important documents that can help shape decisions about future programming and content. So where did I say it shouldn't have been aired? This arrived at 7:43 and I'm making a futher complaint about this reply I'm also sending an E-mail to my MP today with my concerns that although we are forced to pay these peoples wages they do not have a credible complaints system.ds
Leanne Bennett
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Post by carl1960 on Jan 20, 2012 12:03:20 GMT
On 10/1 I made complaint about your coverage of immigration, today I have received a reply from Leanne Bennet. The reply does not address my complaint and in fact they talk about they understood that I thought "The views of the Albanian chef should not have been aired" I'm sure that's what they want to assume I'm thinking. This is however is completely wrong and I find this and the other remarks made by this individual rather insulting. At no point in my complaint does it say that I thought this should not have been aired and for what it's worth Leanne I'm more than willing to listen to "opinions which I personally disagree with."
The chef was well within his rights to express his views. But the complaint is about the one sided point of view that was put over in this case (and in others) the chef and the manager both voicing negative views about the English work force, but once again no “balance” by anyone making a counterpoint. People cannot form an opinion when only one side of the issue is shown. Therefore please can you reply to my original complaint? Why was there no balance in this item?
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Post by Teddy Bear on Jan 20, 2012 17:50:50 GMT
Part of our role as an impartial observer is to report a wide range of views on a particular topic and we make no editorial comment or judgement on the views expressed by contributors.
She forgot to add 'except where the BBC has a particular agenda of their own'.
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Post by carl1960 on Feb 6, 2012 12:23:13 GMT
The reminder sent just now. Type of complaint: TelevisionChoose channel: BBC OneProgramme title: BBC News at SixFeatured in the programme: NoTransmission date: 10/01/2012Broadcast type: LiveIncident time: 18:00Complaint category: OtherContacted us before: YesReason for contacting us again: Haven't received a response yetReference: CAS-1239122-NBW6Z7Complaint title: You have failed to reply to my complaintComplaint description: Your reply was: Reference CAS-1239122-NBW6Z7 Thanks for contacting us about ‘BBC News at Six’ broadcast on 10 January. I understand you felt the views of the Albanian chef shouldn’t have been aired during the item on immigration. I note you found the comments about English workers offensive. Part of our role as an impartial observer is to report a wide range of views on a particular topic and we make no editorial comment or judgement on the views expressed by contributors. Our aim is to simply provide enough information for viewers to make up their own minds. This may include hearing opinions which you personally disagree with but which individuals may be fully entitled to hold in the context of legitimate debate. However, I appreciate you felt this chef's comments shouldn't have been aired and I'd like to assure you that I’ve registered your complaint on our audience log. This is a daily report of audience feedback that’s made available to many BBC staff, including members of the BBC Executive Board, channel controllers and other senior managers. The audience logs are seen as important documents that can help shape decisions about future programming and content. Thanks again for taking the time to contact us. Kind Regards Leanne Bennett As this reply does not actually address my complaint but in fact seems to represent what Leanne Bennett thinks I was thinking I complained again. In addition the pathetic hint of sarcasm in this reply was not appreciated.
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Post by carl1960 on Feb 6, 2012 19:24:48 GMT
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Post by carl1960 on Feb 6, 2012 20:30:04 GMT
If you look not very hard on the internet you will find reports of allegedy 47 "MEN" on trail in Liverpool on Pedophile charges. I have complained to the BBc that this has not been reported on.
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Post by carl1960 on Feb 8, 2012 10:59:35 GMT
So this is the reply the BBc gave me regarding the court case in Liverpool. Reference CAS-1288417-M8C02L
Thanks for contacting us about BBC News.
I understand you’re unhappy at the lack of coverage of a court case in Liverpool.
Choosing the stories to include in our bulletins; the order in which they appear and the length of time devoted to them is a subjective matter and one which we know not every viewer and listener will feel we get right every time.
Factors such as whether it’s news that has just come in and needs immediate coverage, how unusual the story is and how much national interest there is in the subject matter will all play a part in deciding the level of coverage and where it falls within a bulletin.
Essentially this is a judgement call rather than an exact science but BBC News does appreciate the feedback when viewers and listeners feel we may have overlooked or neglected a story.
I'd like to assure you that I’ve registered your complaint on our audience log. This is a daily report of audience feedback that’s made available to many BBC staff, including members of the BBC Executive Board, channel controllers and other senior managers.
The audience logs are seen as important documents that can help shape decisions about future programming and content.
Thanks again for taking the time to contact us.
Kind Regards
Kevin Freeburn
BBC Complaints
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Post by Teddy Bear on Feb 8, 2012 17:40:12 GMT
Factors such as whether it’s news that has just come in and needs immediate coverage, how unusual the story is and how much national interest there is in the subject matter will all play a part in deciding the level of coverage and where it falls within a bulletin.
They omitted the one that is most obvious to us here, and the one that is initially considered before the others - 'How much interest the BBC has in pursuing their recognized agenda'. It's WAY more important to them than the rest.
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Post by carl1960 on Feb 9, 2012 16:07:59 GMT
Today I got this. Case Reference - CAS-1288417-M8C02L
We would love to know what you thought of your recent experience contacting the BBC.
Would you be interested in taking part in a short customer survey? How do they think they did?
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Post by cherenkov on Feb 11, 2012 1:23:16 GMT
www.nuj.org.uk/Over 4000 people who give up part of their salary to this organisation work in BBC News. It couldn't be clearer that this is a politically motivated organisation with it's ideological roots firmly fixed in the UK's Trade Union Movement, the movement who created the Labour party to do their bidding, and who currently contribute 95% of the funding the Labour party receives. That is why any attempt to make a complaint is either ignored, dismissed, or even turned back on the copmlainer with their frequent assertion that it is actually our bias that makes us think they are biased! Even while we licence payers are trying to get the BBC to be less biased in favour of Labour and the Unions who, having bankrupted this country are now engaged in sabotaging the coalition's attempts to deliver the policies necessary to rescue our economy, it makes people like me sick to think that money out of my pocket is going, via the Licence Fee and thus the pay packets of NUJ members, straight into the coffers of a bunch of self-serving economy-wrecking gangsters who have hijacked a broadcasting corporation that is implicitly required to be POLITICALLY NEUTRAL.
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Post by Teddy Bear on Feb 11, 2012 21:25:08 GMT
I searched the NUJ site to see one of their most recent articles and found this one. It concerns what I think is a very good suggestion by Paul Dacre at the Daily Mail, which involves issuing journalists with revocable licences. Naturally the NUJ doesn't want this idea to take hold, as it would reduce the power they hold already. It's not hard to believe that they don't control to some extent the output of what journalists will write about, which gives them additional power.
Reading the article attempting to ridicule Dacre's suggestion, I'm struck by how similar it is to a BBC article when they want the outcome to be a certain way.
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Post by cherenkov on Feb 12, 2012 1:24:23 GMT
"Former editor of the BBC College of Journalism Kevin Marsh said Dacre's proposal was extraordinary and sounded like the way journalists were treated in China and Zimbabwe." A typically hyperbolic, verging on hysterical reply that shouts, 'Me thinks he protests too much!' The political and moral crusaders of the Beeb have visited the offices of Match of the Day tonight and ensured that no mention of Patrice Evra's anti-white outburst against the England players as broadcast by YouTube and Sky News revealed him as being a racist himself was made. The BBC believe that only whites are racists, everyone else is completely innocent. Well BBC, see where that abandonment of objectivity gets us; www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/feb/07/alleged-race-hate-attack-hyde?newsfeed=true"on Saturday night when one of the Asian men inside the shop produced a knife and made a threatening gesture towards the pair, before the men gave chase." Of course the BBC have made no mention of this incident on their main bulletins, in contrast to the massive coverage that was given to the Indian student that was killed recently. If the BBC feeds the racial minorities an unbalanced onslaught of Laurence Enquiry blanket coverage of course the righteous indignation fuels reprisals. Racism is a two way street, and the unobjective reporting of the BBC is making things worse not better.. The 'white season' was BBC's farewell letter to the indigenous white working class of England. Since then they, having nailed their colours to the mast of those who, even if only on grounds of their superior fecundity will take over this country, promote the ideological myth that nobody in this country whose skin is not white can ever be a racist. Right!
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Post by carl1960 on Feb 15, 2012 8:19:43 GMT
Anyway no sign of a reply to my complaint about the reply to my complaint about British or to be more specific English workers being slagged off. I went to have a look at the OFFCOM site. and what did I find; BBC complaints The Code’s rules about impartiality and accuracy don’t apply to BBC programmes. The BBC Trust is responsible for the regulation of the BBC in these areas. Any complaints about the accuracy and impartiality of BBC programmes should be made to BBC Audience Services through its website. The BBC’s website also explains how to escalate a complaint if you are still unhappy. consumers.ofcom.org.uk/2011/04/how-to-complain-about-television-radio-or-on-demand-services/
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Post by carl1960 on Feb 16, 2012 14:27:17 GMT
Reference CAS-1256048-1VB738
Thanks for your further contact regarding the 'BBC News at Six' broadcast on BBC One on 10 January.
I understand that you felt our previous response to you did not fully address your concerns. I note that then, as now, you feel the programme only aired one view of British workers, from the Albanian chef only, which was relatively negative. I note you felt a contrasting view should have been given in this programme, and that your concerns were incorrectly summarised.
I am sorry that our previous correspondence incorrectly addressed your concerns. As my colleague stated we are committed to impartiality and regularly provide a range of views on our programmes on a variety of topics, some of which our audience members may personally disagree with.
However, we do not measure balance in terms of how much time is given to each viewpoint in one particular programme or report, as it's not always possible or practical to reflect a range of opinions each time. Editors are charged to ensure that over a reasonable period they reflect the range of significant views, opinions and trends in their subject area. The BBC does not seek to denigrate any view, nor to promote any view. It seeks rather to identify all significant views, and to test them rigorously and fairly on behalf of the audience.
We are confident that across the BBC we have heard contrasting views to those expressed by the Albanian chef in this report.
Nevertheless, we’re guided by the feedback we receive and I can assure you I've registered your complaint on our audience log. This is a daily report of audience feedback that's made available to all BBC staff, including members of the BBC Executive Board, channel controllers and other senior managers.
The audience logs are seen as important documents that can help shape decisions about future programming and content.
Thanks for taking the time to contact us.
Kind Regards
Mark Roberts
BBC Complaints So that's the latest reply. So exactly when have they viewed good reports about English workers? That's my follow on complaint to this. I've posted a letter to my MP complaining about the complaints procedure, I'm sure it will get me no futher forward but it's the same old fob off we don't care attitude from the BBC.
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Post by Teddy Bear on Feb 16, 2012 19:20:30 GMT
However, we do not measure balance in terms of how much time is given to each viewpoint in one particular programme or report, as it's not always possible or practical to reflect a range of opinions each time. Editors are charged to ensure that over a reasonable period they reflect the range of significant views, opinions and trends in their subject area.They clearly know how difficult it would be for anybody to prove bias in this area, with this option for themselves. Especially since the topic you are complaining about is hard to word to make any search on the BBC website productive. Good luck with your quest though Carl
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Post by cherenkov on Feb 17, 2012 15:13:57 GMT
Carl, they are being very clever, or should I say they think they are being very clever. They say they show balance 'across the BBC'.
The counter-argument is that most of us tune in to the main bulletins like the 6PM News, and don't listen 'across the BBC'. The biased parties concentrate their activities on the bulletins at the time of day when most people are tuning in and do the 'balancing' at times when fewer viewers are watching or listening.
Yes the Today grogramme will often include more positive news about the UK economy between 6 and 7 AM, but after that, as more and more commuters tune in, they aren't mentioned again.
On Wednesday afternoon I had time to compare the BBC News main bulletin at 2pm with the Sky News bulletin at 3pm. The BBC coverage was given over almost completely to the rise in unemployment while the Sky equivalent didn't mention it at all, instead focusing on the story of a vicar who had been found dead!
It was clear to me that both were up to something, Sky were ignoring the story as they are more disposed towards giving some support to the government , and BBC were maxing the story in their main bulletins to pile on the anti-government negativity at the top of the hour when most people tune in for an update (PS employment rose by 60,000).
So I would tell them they are biased in their main bulletins and bury any stories that might support the government's policies, in teletext, or on the web, or on programmes fewer people tune in to. In other words- still biased whatever they say.
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Post by carl1960 on Feb 17, 2012 16:53:03 GMT
Thanks for that observation Chernkov. However my specific complaint is the constant sniping at the British work ethic specifically the continued remarks about the "lazy English" which I find offensive to the extreme. Over the years I have watched the "white" series in particular the abomination of "The day the migrants went home" I can not think of any report where the BBC has commented favourably on the education or work ethic of the British and therefore my complaint is aimed at this issue and not the wider economic reporting where the complaints department have more room to waffle about any positive news being broadcast. My latest complaint is as follows YOUR COMPLAINT:
Complaint Summary: Stating you are comitted to impartiallity
Full Complaint: It is reasuring to note that you continue to reply with the same pre-written response to my concern over one sided reporting. "However, we do not measure balance in terms of how much time is given to each viewpoint in one particular programme or report, as it's not always possible or practical to reflect a range of opinions each time. Editors are charged to ensure that over a reasonable period they reflect the range of significant views, opinions and trends in their subject area. The BBC does not seek to denigrate any view, nor to promote any view. It seeks rather to identify all significant views, and to test them rigorously and fairly on behalf of the audience." Yep I've recieved that one before. If you " are confident that across the BBC we have heard contrasting views to those expressed by the Albanian chef in this report" not that my complaint was exclusive to the chef despite your fixation on this point, then you should be able to enlighten me as to when these events took place because I have not witnessed them. I see no problem if they are that confident as to them being able to provide me examples.However if they do try to use the wider economic picture I'm afraid that will cut no ice with me. The complaint is the offensive and one sided stories aimed at the British and more specifically myself and the rest of the English workforce. I don't expect some of these reporters would last five minutes doing some of the things I've done in my working life. I also recognise exactly what you are saying stories that appear in the morning or mid-day simply vanish by the evening.
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Post by Teddy Bear on Feb 17, 2012 16:53:25 GMT
Excellent observation Cher
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Post by cherenkov on Feb 17, 2012 22:19:46 GMT
I'm afraid my complaint of BBC bias against the Conservative party, the coalition government, the Metropolitan police, the Murdoch press.... and your own complaint that they promote this vision that the immigrants from E. Europe have actually come to our rescue as our own indigenous workforce have become too lazy and pampered by the welfare state to do the jobs that need doing for the money being offered, are both part and parcel of the same phenomenon, namely the 'systemic' (yes this time the word is perfectly justified) bias IN FAVOUR of the Labour Party and their masters the TUC.
Just as their policy of blaming only the City bankers for the credit crunch, the stock market crash of 2008, the the Greek debt crisis.... is designed to deflect the blame and responsibility away from populist democratic socialist European politicians like those of the Labour Party, who of course are equally, if not even more to blame, given their responsibility to regulate the financial services industries, the BBC, realises that again Labour needs protecting from their direct responsibility for not protecting our workforce from the invasion that followed the predictably tragic expansion of the EU into Eastern Europe.
This tragedy flooded our job markets with cheap labour, making it harder for young people to get into employment or apprenticeship, and destroying hard won wage differentials in the skilled trade sector down to the minimum wage. There were reports from the TUC of firms laying off their entire workforce and replacing them with Poles doing their jobs for the minimum wage.
The Labour government said that they estimated that 40,000 or so would come! Try adding one and a half million to that figure.
The BBC no longer cares for the indigenous working people of England at least, in fact they dare to suggest that the above weren't betrayed by Labour and, in fact it was the English working class that brought it on themselves by being too lazy and uncompetitive!
All the BBC wants is to cover up all of the terrible mistakes Labour made that so deeply betrayed the people of this country in just about everything they did, and deflect any suggestion of responsibility away from Labour onto any convenient scapegoats of it's choice, in order to get Labour, and thus the TUC back into power as soon as possible.
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Post by carl1960 on Feb 24, 2012 16:31:05 GMT
So here we go again. Yet another complaint Type of complaint: BBC News (TV Radio Online)What is your complaint about: TV NewsChoose channel: BBC OneProgramme title: north west Breakfast NewsFeatured in the programme: NoTransmission date: 24/02/2012Broadcast type: LiveIncident time: 08:30Complaint category: OtherContacted us before: NoComplaint title: Rochdale unrestComplaint description: I was watching the breakfast report this morning concerning the unrest in Rochdale which was vague in the extreme. The report concentrated on a priest telling on his concern about children being involved. It was also stated that there were banners but no effort was made to tell us what was written on the banners. So exactly what was going? Or was this a solve it yourself puzzle for the viewers. However after looking at a couple of sites on the internet it became obvious what this incident was all about pretty quickly. How your report could fail to tell us is pretty hard to believe. By mid day your report had changed, one could surmise that was because the information was already out there on the internet. The fact that it was conneted to the Liverpool Crown court case that you initially failed to report on (I complained about this matter on 6/2/12) was no suprise to many of us. I then noted your reporter appearing to ask leading questions to a "witness" asking if the incident was organised by the BNP. I do recall complaining last year when during the trial of an an alleged grooming gang you chose to concentrate on a BNP demonstration instead of the on going court case. Can you explain why the report was so vague as some may think this was done for a reason?
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Post by Teddy Bear on Feb 24, 2012 17:45:58 GMT
Good one Carl, with just the right amount of sarcasm, and letting them know you're no idiot, though their reply will no doubt try to take you for one. Keep us posted
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Post by cherenkov on Feb 27, 2012 13:57:23 GMT
What with my MacWaterloo road offering it would seem Rochdale is becoming a significant place.
What we see there is going to happen all over the post-industrial landscape of England. Millions of indigenous white people who have seen their communities taken from them by successive waves of inward migration are now facing up to an even more shocking reality.
In this new reality they realise that they don't matter any more. In the new reality promoted by the BBC and their Labour/TUC overlords these people now realise they are living in a country where apparently there were always immigrants living in every community, that even in the middle ages there were Africans, Muslims, and non-whites generally living in every city, town, and village in vast numbers. Even a programme like Upstairs Downstairs has to have a non-white character in it to enforce the new 'truth' we are being conditioned into accepting.
Fundamental to any form of mass social re-programming is the deliberate suppression of any news or information that might hinder the process, and I'm afraid Carl, that includes the subject matter of your complaint.
The BBC wants the remaining white working class people of this country to reconcile themselves to meaningless lives on state benefits in entire 'safe Labour seat' communities where nobody works, or ever will work, and where inevitably they will disappear completely, having been out-bred by all these other people who were, of course, here all the time!
I still fear there is a naivity about what we are doing on this site. Something like King Canute trying to halt the rising tide. But at least it's something to know that there are other voices out there crying in the wilderness on behalf of the abandoned millions of post-industrial England.
Utterly pointless then, but comforting none-the-less.
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Post by carl1960 on Feb 28, 2012 9:43:01 GMT
Ahh the BBc don't you just love them? Well no. Back to global warming conspiracy malarky last night the cold winters (it's always cold in the winter morons) "COULD" be caused by melting polar ice - so back to the same old technique might maybe possibly all get used and was there anyone filmed to say that this is bollocks, of course not. Still I suppose they will "BALANCE" it up with other reports. Then to 3rd world shanty towns springing up in London, the BBc gained accesss to these illegal immigrant dwelling by providing food and blankets (I assume at our cost). Yes this is the BBc sob story about the illegal scum who came here to make money and now can't work. GDwellings that would look more at home in Seweto are sprininging up in the UK. Of course no proper report like why the Border Agency aren't kicking them out or why the local authority isn't pulling the "buildings" down. Apparently the local council has a problem in that they have to give "24 hours notice" ?? No just the usual BBc feel sorry for the "illegal immigrants".
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Post by carl1960 on Mar 2, 2012 11:26:13 GMT
So anyway I werote a five page letter of complaint concerning mainly how the BBc deal with complaints no suprise this is the reply; "I fully support the BBC and want it to remain the cornerstone of UK public service broadcasting. I know that my colleague, Culture Secretary Jeramy Hunt, is commited to sustaining the BBC's position as the nation's standard-setting public service broadcaster. As part of this, the BBC must ensure impartiality in all of it's programming, particulary with it's news and current affairs coverage. The BBC's Royal Charter, as the constitutional basis for the organisation, guarentees it's independence is not just a right, but also a responsibility. Genuine impartiality is vital to the organisation maintaining it's reputation and I believe in the vast majority of cases it does achieve this. The BBC is aware of people's concerns, however and has recently implemented annual impartiality reviews, along with impartiality seminars for staff. If you ever feel the BBC has not reached the high standards that have been set for it, then I recommend that you file a complaint at WWW.bbc.co.uk/complaints However I bam caertain you can appreciate that it is not appropriate for a member of Parliment to get involved in such a complaint" Anyway back to the business in hand checking my E-mail no reply from the BBc on my last two complaints I'll just check to see if it's 10 working days since and then yep you guessed it another non-reply complaint
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Post by thehighlandrebel on Mar 2, 2012 15:34:01 GMT
I've also noticed the difference in news reporting at different times of the day especially with the World Service. If you tune into this propaganda in the wee small hours you'll be bombarded with vitriol and lies about Israel, sometimes three articles in a five minute 'news' broadcast, which quietens down when decent people tend to tune in.
This is no doubt the 'balanced reporting' they keep harping on about.
Yes, the ghost of Goebells lives on.
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Post by cherenkov on Mar 2, 2012 23:49:40 GMT
I don't think Goebbels would have stooped as low as the tactics the BBC are being allowed to use. 6 PM Radio 4 News- 'Britain one of only two countries to sign up to an agreement' (that would have seen our most productive industry saddled with at tax that would have seen it outsourced elsewhere within weeks). No mention of the widespread support for Cameron's proposals on stimulating growth and recovery. Of course not, the BBC wants the masses it has conspired to dumb down to think that Cameron is a rich toff who is nothing but 'Tory Scum' (as broadcast on BBC News 24 on the Sunday that began the last Conservative Conference before the 2010 election).
Instead of being granted the opportunity to actually hear what his proposals were we were instead on Radio 5 live fobbed off with a discussion about whether he had ridden a retired police horse in the care of a long-standing friend which had since died- obviously far more important!
Every day I increasingly worry about my unhealthy wish to export the entire staff of BBC News out to Syria to take their chances with a real evil dictator. I despise them all, they are complete hypocrits and imho traitors to the economic recovery we so desperately need to create before their beloved Labour get back in and screw us up all over again!
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Post by Teddy Bear on Mar 3, 2012 0:32:16 GMT
I don't think you have an unhealthy wish at all Cher. It is a vision that has justice in an effort to rectify a wrong. We may not like what we see, but it is far more healthy to see it than be taken in by it.
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Post by carl1960 on Mar 5, 2012 11:42:04 GMT
No I won't go away or drop it. No reply to date of my request for examples of glowing reports of English workers so another complaint... "We are confident that across the BBC we have heard contrasting views to those expressed by the Albanian chef in this report."
I asked you to provide examples of this as unlike myself you were "confident", I'm still waiting. I assumes with such confidence on this issue you would have been able to reply almost immediately.
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Post by Teddy Bear on Mar 8, 2012 17:20:53 GMT
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Post by carl1960 on Mar 8, 2012 18:37:49 GMT
Thanks for that I'll bang something up over the weekend to brighten some more lives at the Beeb. Anyone got any ideas on what this is about?
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