Post by djfearross on Jul 29, 2011 9:26:56 GMT
Mohammed Kasab is back in the news today after appealing his sentence. So after reading BBC's profile of the Norwegian terrorist Breivik, i'd thought i'd see how the BBC's profiles of these two terrorists compare.
If you know the BBC you'd know there are major differences.
First the Islamist Terrorist;
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-12369352
The main thing to notice from the above BS is that there is no mention of religion or even WHY he did it. They only mention, "influence of the Lashkar-e-Taiba militant group" and then you hear no more about the ideology that made this man do this. Also keep in mind he killed over twice as many people. Nothing mentioned about how he targeted Jews and Westerners, killing Jews in a Jewish center.
Then the so called 'Christian Terrorist'
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14259989
Profile: Norway attacks suspect Anders Behring Breivik Images from Breivik's manifesto and a video attributed to him
Norway Attacks
Probe ordered
Immigrants uneasy
Test of justice
The victims
Anders Behring Breivik, the 32-year-old charged with carrying out Friday's deadly attacks in Norway, harboured radical right-wing views, railing against what he saw as a Marxist Islamic takeover of Europe.
While he openly expressed these views online, there was little to indicate that the young man - described by friends as quiet, friendly and ordinary - would go on to kill dozens of people, many in cold blood.
The turning point seems to have come in his late 20s, when his paranoia grew about the "Islamisation of western Europe" and the perceived failure of his country's political leadership to stop its advance at home.
Lars Buehler, a Norwegian scholar and terrorism expert, said he had debated with Breivik on an extremist website frequented by what he calls xenophobes and Islamaphobes all over Europe.
"I was the single opposing voice, arguing against the xenophobic, Islamaphobic postings and comments that were the norm on this page, and Breivik did not stand out with a particularly aggressive or violent rhetoric. He was quite mainstream," Mr Buehler said.
Mr Breivik was also a member of a Swedish neo-Nazi internet forum called Nordisk, according to Expo, a Swedish group monitoring far-right activity.
'Policy of hatred'
It is his diary - which forms part of his dense, wordy manifesto - that gives a chilling insight into the thought processes of Mr Breivik.
In it, he describes how in early May he had prepared and stored his equipment for the attack. He talks of his paranoia at the number of police vehicles he sees near his home, wondering where he would hide were they to pay him a visit.
"It's one of the scariest documents I've ever read," forensic clinical psychologist Ian Stephen told the BBC.
Manifesto details attacks
"It's written by a man who is absolutely meticulous in his development of his philosophy and he has researched everything, obviously shut away for a long period of time reading, researching, digging into the internet, reading books," said the psychologist.
"[He] formulated this absolute policy of hatred of anything that is non-Nordic in a sense, and looking at planning how to take over the world [in a] rather insane, over-complicated deluded manner."
A 12-minute anti-Muslim video called Knights Templar 2083, in which images of Mr Breivik appear, was also discovered online.
Mr Breivik appears to have created entries on social networking sites such as Facebook and Twitter, though the accounts were set up just days ago on 17 July.
On the Facebook page attributed to him, he describes himself as a Christian and a conservative. The Facebook page is no longer available but it also listed interests such as bodybuilding and freemasonry.
A Twitter account attributed to the suspect has also emerged but it only has one post, which is a quote from philosopher John Stuart Mill: "One person with a belief is equal to the force of 100,000 who have only interests."
'Price of treason'
Mr Breivik had no military background except for ordinary national service, and no criminal record. Police say he put down his weapon when told to, after a shooting spree which lasted about 90 minutes.
According to court officials, Mr Breivik said that he was trying to "save Norway and western Europe from cultural Marxism and a Muslim takeover."
He has admitted to carrying out the twin attacks, but has not pleaded guilty to charges of terrorism.
"The objective of the attacks was to give a 'sharp signal' to people," said the judge in the case, Kim Heger.
"The accused explained that the Labour Party has failed the country and the people and the price of their treason is what they had to pay."
His 1,500-page manifesto - authored by "Andrew Berwick", the Anglicised version of his name - gives a detailed account of the author's "preparation phases", apparently for an "armed struggle" which he says seems "futile at this point but... is the only way forward".
The manifesto, called 2083: A European Declaration of Independence, minutely elaborates the author's belief that a process of "Islamisation" is under way.
During this preparation, the author details how he sets up front companies to allow the purchase of fertiliser, which can be used in bomb-making, and the steps he takes to obtain powerful guns - including joining a firearms club in 2005 to increase his chances to obtain a Glock 17 semi-automatic pistol six years later.
He also claims to have bought three bottles of 1979 vintage French wine, and decides to open one with his family at Christmas as his "martyrdom operation draws ever closer".
On Saturday it was confirmed that Mr Breivik was previously a member of the right-wing Progress Party (FrP), the second largest party in Norway's parliament.
He was also a member of the FrP youth wing from 1997 to 2006/2007. He deleted his membership in 2007.
'Ordinary boy'
Mr Breivik was born on 13 February 1979 in London, where his father, a diplomat, had been stationed at the time. Jens Breivik - long estranged from his son - has expressed shock at the crime.
Kim Heger: "The accused believes he needed to carry out these attacks''
"I view this atrocity with absolute horror," he was quoted as saying by London's Daily Telegraph newspaper from his home in south-west France.
He divorced Anders' mother, a nurse, when their child was one year old, moved to Paris and married again. From then on, he had limited contact with the boy.
"When he was young, he was a very ordinary boy. He was not interested in politics at the time," Jens Breivik said.
Their relationship broke down when Anders was a teenager, and the father and son have not spoken since then.
Anders Behring Breivik said on his Facebook page that he was a student at Oslo Handelsgymnasium, a high school that specialises in business studies, Norwegian media reported. He also claimed to have educated himself beyond that, but not through any formal educational establishment.
A school friend told Norwegian TV he did not recognise him as the boy he knew.
"One of his good work-out buddies was from the Middle East, and it seems as though they were good friends all through junior high school, and hung out a lot together," Michael Tomala said.
"It seems as though he has taken a completely different direction than what we knew of him from junior high school."
The Norwegian newspaper Verdens Gang quoted another friend as saying that the suspect turned to right-wing extremism in his late 20s.
He later appears to have moved out of the city and established Breivik Geofarm, a company Norwegian media is describing as a farming sole proprietorship set up to cultivate vegetables, melons, roots and tubers.
A supply company has come forward to say that it delivered six tonnes of fertiliser to this company in May - an ingredient used in bomb-making.
In his first comment after his arrest, Mr Breivik said via his lawyer that the attacks were "atrocious, but necessary" to defeat liberal immigration policies and the spread of Islam.
Mr Breivik is being held in an Oslo jail pending his trial on charges of terrorism.
From the above, you can see the angle the BBC takes on this approach, they make you know why the person targeted these people and what his ideology was, but for the Islamist they bury it.
If you know the BBC you'd know there are major differences.
First the Islamist Terrorist;
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-12369352
February 2011 Last updated at 17:39 GMT
Profile: Mohammad Ajmal Amir Qasab Qasab
mowed people down with an assault rifle at the main railway station
The image of Mohammad Ajmal Amir Qasab clutching his gun at Mumbai (Bombay) railway station became a symbol of the November 2008 attacks that horrified the world.
Qasab, 21 at the time, was the only surviving member of the group that launched a bloody rampage across the Indian city, killing 166 people.
In the immediate aftermath of the attacks, security forces struggled to collect information about the young man.
Only after several months did Pakistan admit that he was one of their citizens, from the province of Punjab.
More specific details are hard to pin down. Indian officials originally portrayed him as a middle-class boy who spoke good English.
But subsequent reports suggested he came from a remote village called Faridkot, where his father sold food.
He had received little education, the reports said, and had spent his youth alternating between labouring and petty crime.
In an interview with Pakistani media, a resident of Faridkot identified Qasab as his son. He said that he had left home four years before the attacks.
"He had asked me for new clothes on Eid [the Muslim festival] that I couldn't provide him. He got angry and left," Dawn newspaper quoted the man as saying.
'Dark figures'
At some point, India says, Qasab came under the influence of the Lashkar-e-Taiba militant group. After training in one of several remote camps, they say, he was hand-picked for the Mumbai operation.
He was captured on camera at the Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus, a slight figure in combat trousers and a blue sweatshirt, clutching an assault rifle.
He "walked as if no-one can touch him", a photographer who took the picture of him told the court in June.
"Initially I saw two dark figures. They fired towards the ticket window. When they opened fire towards us it confirmed they were terrorists," Sebastian D'Souza said.
Captured after a shoot-out with police, Qasab was interrogated and then charged with 86 offences, including murder and waging war on India.
Wept
Prosecutors said he had confessed - but his lawyers then said his statement had been coerced, and it was retracted.
His trial began in March 2009 and at first, correspondents say, he appeared relaxed. He smiled periodically and occasionally joked with officials.
His defence had attempted to argue that he was under 18 and so a minor. Asked in May 2009 to confirm his age, he provoked laughter by stating that if prosecutors had believed him then he would not now be in court.
Later his demeanour grew more serious, even erratic.
When a 10-year-old girl injured in the attacks identified him in court, witnesses said he looked grave.
In May 2010 Qasab was sentenced to death by a special court which found him guilty of many charges, including murder and waging war on India.
Judge ML Tahaliyani said "he should be hanged by the neck until he is dead", adding that he had lost his right to "humanitarian treatment".
Qasab's lawyer called for leniency, saying his client had been brainwashed by a terrorist organisation and could be rehabilitated.
Qasab appealed against the sentence, and the high court in Mumbai began hearing the case in October 2010.
He initially attended proceedings through a video link for security reasons.
But after two hearings he demanded to attend court in person. The request was refused and he was reprimanded for his outburst, following which he failed to appear by video link.
In India, the death penalty is carried out by hanging, but it is rarely used and most death sentences are commuted to life imprisonment.
Qasab has right to take his case to the Supreme Court if his appeal is turned down, a process which lawyers say could take months
Profile: Mohammad Ajmal Amir Qasab Qasab
mowed people down with an assault rifle at the main railway station
The image of Mohammad Ajmal Amir Qasab clutching his gun at Mumbai (Bombay) railway station became a symbol of the November 2008 attacks that horrified the world.
Qasab, 21 at the time, was the only surviving member of the group that launched a bloody rampage across the Indian city, killing 166 people.
In the immediate aftermath of the attacks, security forces struggled to collect information about the young man.
Only after several months did Pakistan admit that he was one of their citizens, from the province of Punjab.
More specific details are hard to pin down. Indian officials originally portrayed him as a middle-class boy who spoke good English.
But subsequent reports suggested he came from a remote village called Faridkot, where his father sold food.
He had received little education, the reports said, and had spent his youth alternating between labouring and petty crime.
In an interview with Pakistani media, a resident of Faridkot identified Qasab as his son. He said that he had left home four years before the attacks.
"He had asked me for new clothes on Eid [the Muslim festival] that I couldn't provide him. He got angry and left," Dawn newspaper quoted the man as saying.
'Dark figures'
At some point, India says, Qasab came under the influence of the Lashkar-e-Taiba militant group. After training in one of several remote camps, they say, he was hand-picked for the Mumbai operation.
He was captured on camera at the Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus, a slight figure in combat trousers and a blue sweatshirt, clutching an assault rifle.
He "walked as if no-one can touch him", a photographer who took the picture of him told the court in June.
"Initially I saw two dark figures. They fired towards the ticket window. When they opened fire towards us it confirmed they were terrorists," Sebastian D'Souza said.
Captured after a shoot-out with police, Qasab was interrogated and then charged with 86 offences, including murder and waging war on India.
Wept
Prosecutors said he had confessed - but his lawyers then said his statement had been coerced, and it was retracted.
His trial began in March 2009 and at first, correspondents say, he appeared relaxed. He smiled periodically and occasionally joked with officials.
His defence had attempted to argue that he was under 18 and so a minor. Asked in May 2009 to confirm his age, he provoked laughter by stating that if prosecutors had believed him then he would not now be in court.
Later his demeanour grew more serious, even erratic.
When a 10-year-old girl injured in the attacks identified him in court, witnesses said he looked grave.
In May 2010 Qasab was sentenced to death by a special court which found him guilty of many charges, including murder and waging war on India.
Judge ML Tahaliyani said "he should be hanged by the neck until he is dead", adding that he had lost his right to "humanitarian treatment".
Qasab's lawyer called for leniency, saying his client had been brainwashed by a terrorist organisation and could be rehabilitated.
Qasab appealed against the sentence, and the high court in Mumbai began hearing the case in October 2010.
He initially attended proceedings through a video link for security reasons.
But after two hearings he demanded to attend court in person. The request was refused and he was reprimanded for his outburst, following which he failed to appear by video link.
In India, the death penalty is carried out by hanging, but it is rarely used and most death sentences are commuted to life imprisonment.
Qasab has right to take his case to the Supreme Court if his appeal is turned down, a process which lawyers say could take months
The main thing to notice from the above BS is that there is no mention of religion or even WHY he did it. They only mention, "influence of the Lashkar-e-Taiba militant group" and then you hear no more about the ideology that made this man do this. Also keep in mind he killed over twice as many people. Nothing mentioned about how he targeted Jews and Westerners, killing Jews in a Jewish center.
Then the so called 'Christian Terrorist'
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14259989
Profile: Norway attacks suspect Anders Behring Breivik Images from Breivik's manifesto and a video attributed to him
Norway Attacks
Probe ordered
Immigrants uneasy
Test of justice
The victims
Anders Behring Breivik, the 32-year-old charged with carrying out Friday's deadly attacks in Norway, harboured radical right-wing views, railing against what he saw as a Marxist Islamic takeover of Europe.
While he openly expressed these views online, there was little to indicate that the young man - described by friends as quiet, friendly and ordinary - would go on to kill dozens of people, many in cold blood.
The turning point seems to have come in his late 20s, when his paranoia grew about the "Islamisation of western Europe" and the perceived failure of his country's political leadership to stop its advance at home.
Lars Buehler, a Norwegian scholar and terrorism expert, said he had debated with Breivik on an extremist website frequented by what he calls xenophobes and Islamaphobes all over Europe.
"I was the single opposing voice, arguing against the xenophobic, Islamaphobic postings and comments that were the norm on this page, and Breivik did not stand out with a particularly aggressive or violent rhetoric. He was quite mainstream," Mr Buehler said.
Mr Breivik was also a member of a Swedish neo-Nazi internet forum called Nordisk, according to Expo, a Swedish group monitoring far-right activity.
'Policy of hatred'
It is his diary - which forms part of his dense, wordy manifesto - that gives a chilling insight into the thought processes of Mr Breivik.
In it, he describes how in early May he had prepared and stored his equipment for the attack. He talks of his paranoia at the number of police vehicles he sees near his home, wondering where he would hide were they to pay him a visit.
"It's one of the scariest documents I've ever read," forensic clinical psychologist Ian Stephen told the BBC.
Manifesto details attacks
"It's written by a man who is absolutely meticulous in his development of his philosophy and he has researched everything, obviously shut away for a long period of time reading, researching, digging into the internet, reading books," said the psychologist.
"[He] formulated this absolute policy of hatred of anything that is non-Nordic in a sense, and looking at planning how to take over the world [in a] rather insane, over-complicated deluded manner."
A 12-minute anti-Muslim video called Knights Templar 2083, in which images of Mr Breivik appear, was also discovered online.
Mr Breivik appears to have created entries on social networking sites such as Facebook and Twitter, though the accounts were set up just days ago on 17 July.
On the Facebook page attributed to him, he describes himself as a Christian and a conservative. The Facebook page is no longer available but it also listed interests such as bodybuilding and freemasonry.
A Twitter account attributed to the suspect has also emerged but it only has one post, which is a quote from philosopher John Stuart Mill: "One person with a belief is equal to the force of 100,000 who have only interests."
'Price of treason'
Mr Breivik had no military background except for ordinary national service, and no criminal record. Police say he put down his weapon when told to, after a shooting spree which lasted about 90 minutes.
According to court officials, Mr Breivik said that he was trying to "save Norway and western Europe from cultural Marxism and a Muslim takeover."
He has admitted to carrying out the twin attacks, but has not pleaded guilty to charges of terrorism.
"The objective of the attacks was to give a 'sharp signal' to people," said the judge in the case, Kim Heger.
"The accused explained that the Labour Party has failed the country and the people and the price of their treason is what they had to pay."
Knights Templar
- Western military monastic orders that existed from 12th to 14th centuries
- Reputed to possess great wealth and power
- Fighting members took part in Crusades
{8}Many organisations today bear the Templar name - charitable ventures, bodies within lay Catholicism and within freemasonry- White supremacists, apparently including Anders Behring Breivik, also inspired by Knights Templar
His 1,500-page manifesto - authored by "Andrew Berwick", the Anglicised version of his name - gives a detailed account of the author's "preparation phases", apparently for an "armed struggle" which he says seems "futile at this point but... is the only way forward".
The manifesto, called 2083: A European Declaration of Independence, minutely elaborates the author's belief that a process of "Islamisation" is under way.
During this preparation, the author details how he sets up front companies to allow the purchase of fertiliser, which can be used in bomb-making, and the steps he takes to obtain powerful guns - including joining a firearms club in 2005 to increase his chances to obtain a Glock 17 semi-automatic pistol six years later.
He also claims to have bought three bottles of 1979 vintage French wine, and decides to open one with his family at Christmas as his "martyrdom operation draws ever closer".
On Saturday it was confirmed that Mr Breivik was previously a member of the right-wing Progress Party (FrP), the second largest party in Norway's parliament.
He was also a member of the FrP youth wing from 1997 to 2006/2007. He deleted his membership in 2007.
'Ordinary boy'
Mr Breivik was born on 13 February 1979 in London, where his father, a diplomat, had been stationed at the time. Jens Breivik - long estranged from his son - has expressed shock at the crime.
Kim Heger: "The accused believes he needed to carry out these attacks''
"I view this atrocity with absolute horror," he was quoted as saying by London's Daily Telegraph newspaper from his home in south-west France.
He divorced Anders' mother, a nurse, when their child was one year old, moved to Paris and married again. From then on, he had limited contact with the boy.
"When he was young, he was a very ordinary boy. He was not interested in politics at the time," Jens Breivik said.
Their relationship broke down when Anders was a teenager, and the father and son have not spoken since then.
Anders Behring Breivik said on his Facebook page that he was a student at Oslo Handelsgymnasium, a high school that specialises in business studies, Norwegian media reported. He also claimed to have educated himself beyond that, but not through any formal educational establishment.
A school friend told Norwegian TV he did not recognise him as the boy he knew.
"One of his good work-out buddies was from the Middle East, and it seems as though they were good friends all through junior high school, and hung out a lot together," Michael Tomala said.
"It seems as though he has taken a completely different direction than what we knew of him from junior high school."
The Norwegian newspaper Verdens Gang quoted another friend as saying that the suspect turned to right-wing extremism in his late 20s.
He later appears to have moved out of the city and established Breivik Geofarm, a company Norwegian media is describing as a farming sole proprietorship set up to cultivate vegetables, melons, roots and tubers.
A supply company has come forward to say that it delivered six tonnes of fertiliser to this company in May - an ingredient used in bomb-making.
In his first comment after his arrest, Mr Breivik said via his lawyer that the attacks were "atrocious, but necessary" to defeat liberal immigration policies and the spread of Islam.
Mr Breivik is being held in an Oslo jail pending his trial on charges of terrorism.
From the above, you can see the angle the BBC takes on this approach, they make you know why the person targeted these people and what his ideology was, but for the Islamist they bury it.
