Post by Teddy Bear on Jul 2, 2015 18:20:08 GMT
While I don't agree with the reasoning for Cameron and the MPs request for the media to refrain from using the name Islamic State when referring to this barbaric and foul scum who go by this name, I find the BBC excuse to continue using it even more shameful.
They want to be fair!
One day these psychopaths will capture and execute some BBC journalists, then we'll see just how 'fair' they want to continue being.
They want to be fair!
One day these psychopaths will capture and execute some BBC journalists, then we'll see just how 'fair' they want to continue being.
Next you'll be 'impartial' about the Nazis! Cabinet fury as BBC refuses to stop using 'Islamic State' to be FAIR to the terror group
By Chris Pleasance and Amanda Williams for MailOnline and Tom McTague, Deputy Political Editor for MailOnline
The head of the BBC sparked fury today after rejecting a demand by MPs to stop using the name Islamic State to refer to the terror group - because it would 'give the impression of support' for its opponents.
Tony Hall, the corporation's director general, rejected the call from a cross-party group of 120 MPs to use the name 'Daesh' instead, saying it would 'bias their coverage'.
The decision was widely criticised in Parliament today. Commons leader Chris Grayling said it was like being 'impartial' to Nazi Germany during the Second World War.
Muslim Tory MP Rehman Chisti, who started the petition to stop using 'Islamic State', said the BBC's response was 'not worth the paper it's written on'.
Daesh is a commonly used Arabic abbreviation for ISIS which the terrorists consider to be offensive because it sounds similar to the word 'Dahes' meaning 'one who sows discord'.
The extremists are variously known as Islamic State, Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) and Daesh, based on the Arabic acronym for the group.
The government official uses ISIL as an alternative.
Mr Chishti, the Tory MP for Gillingham and Rainham, said Muslims are offended by the use of the word 'Islamic', as they do not consider the bloodthirsty group representative of their faith.
Mr Chishti added that the name also served to legitimise the fanatics by including the word 'state'.
The petition was widely backed in the House of Commons, with signatories including London Mayor Boris Johnson, and former SNP leader Alex Salmond.
But in a response to the MP, Lord Hall said that the word Daesh risked giving the 'impression of support' for the group's opponents and 'would not preserve the BBC's impartiality'.
In the letter, seen by The Times, he said the BBC would use terms such as 'the Islamic State group' to 'distinguish it from an actual, recognised state'.
He added: 'We will also continue to use other qualifiers when appropriate, eg extremists, militants, fighters etc.
'To avoid overuse we will also usually revert to IS after one mention of the Islamic State group.'
Mr Chishti said Lord Hall's decision was 'very surprising' and unacceptable, as it has been adopted across the Middle East and by the French and Turkish governments.
Speaking in the Commons today, Mr Grayling added: 'I have a different view of what impartiality means to the BBC.
'During the second world war the BBC was a beacon of fact it was not expected to be impartial between Britain and Germany.
'Today it should be a beacon of fact, it is not expected to be impartial about the threat to the security and lives of the people of this country.'
Defence Secretary Michael Fallon later weighed into the row. He said: 'The BBC needs to be impartial about the facts, but you can't be impartial between terrorism and the rules by which the rest of us live.'
It comes after David Cameron criticised BBC presenter John Humphrys for referring to the group as Islamic State in the wake of the Tunisian terror attack.
Gunman Seifeddine Rezgui targeted tourists at the Tunisian beach resort of El Kantaoui near Sousse on Friday morning, killing 38 people including up to 30 British tourists.
It makes it the worst terror attack on Britons since the July 7 London bombings in 2005.
The Prime Minister - who calls the group 'ISIL' - said Muslims would 'recoil' at the phrase being used to justify the 'perversion of a great religion'.
Mr Cameron said he would prefer for the BBC to use the name Isil, which stands for Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, and is the name used by security forces.
The extremists are variously known as Islamic State, Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) and DAESH, based the Arabic acronym.
During his interview on BBC Radio 4's Today programme on Monday Mr Cameron referred to the group as 'ISIL'.
'I wish the BBC would stop calling it Islamic State because it's not an Islamic State; what it is is an appalling, barbarous regime,' Mr Cameron said.
'It is a perversion of the religion of Islam and many Muslims listening to this programme will recoil every time they hear the words 'Islamic State'. 'So-called' or Isil is better,' he added.
Mr Cameron later repeated his criticism of the BBC in the Commons. He said: 'I think this is particularly offensive to many Muslims who see, as I see, not state but a barbaric regime of terrorism and oppression that takes delight in murder and oppressing women and murdering people because they are gay.
'I personally think that using the term ISIL or 'so-called' would be better than what they currently do.
'I don't think we will move them all the way to Daesh so I think saying ISIL is better than using Islamic State because it is in my view neither Islamic nor a state.'
- Petition signed by 120 MPs asked BBC to stop using name in reports
- Said term was offensive to Muslims and gave group legitimacy
- But the corporation's director general Tony Hall has rejected proposals
- He said using alternative would 'give the impression of support' for those fighting the terrorist group and could 'bias BBC coverage'
By Chris Pleasance and Amanda Williams for MailOnline and Tom McTague, Deputy Political Editor for MailOnline
The head of the BBC sparked fury today after rejecting a demand by MPs to stop using the name Islamic State to refer to the terror group - because it would 'give the impression of support' for its opponents.
Tony Hall, the corporation's director general, rejected the call from a cross-party group of 120 MPs to use the name 'Daesh' instead, saying it would 'bias their coverage'.
The decision was widely criticised in Parliament today. Commons leader Chris Grayling said it was like being 'impartial' to Nazi Germany during the Second World War.
Muslim Tory MP Rehman Chisti, who started the petition to stop using 'Islamic State', said the BBC's response was 'not worth the paper it's written on'.
Daesh is a commonly used Arabic abbreviation for ISIS which the terrorists consider to be offensive because it sounds similar to the word 'Dahes' meaning 'one who sows discord'.
The extremists are variously known as Islamic State, Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) and Daesh, based on the Arabic acronym for the group.
The government official uses ISIL as an alternative.
Mr Chishti, the Tory MP for Gillingham and Rainham, said Muslims are offended by the use of the word 'Islamic', as they do not consider the bloodthirsty group representative of their faith.
Mr Chishti added that the name also served to legitimise the fanatics by including the word 'state'.
The petition was widely backed in the House of Commons, with signatories including London Mayor Boris Johnson, and former SNP leader Alex Salmond.
But in a response to the MP, Lord Hall said that the word Daesh risked giving the 'impression of support' for the group's opponents and 'would not preserve the BBC's impartiality'.
In the letter, seen by The Times, he said the BBC would use terms such as 'the Islamic State group' to 'distinguish it from an actual, recognised state'.
He added: 'We will also continue to use other qualifiers when appropriate, eg extremists, militants, fighters etc.
'To avoid overuse we will also usually revert to IS after one mention of the Islamic State group.'
MANY NAMES FOR TERROR GROUP
There are four terms used to refer to the terror group. They are ISIS, ISIL, Islamic State or IS, and Daesh.
ISIS stands for The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria and is most commonly used. It has thrown up problems with companies named after the Egyptian goddess of the same name.
ISIL is shortened from The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant. It is what the Foreign Secretary, Philip Hammond, uses when speaking of the group. Historically, the undefined region surrounding Syria is called Levant. IS or the Islamic State is how the terrorists describe themselves.
Daesh is the word used by the French government when referring to the group. It began referring to them as such after claiming any reference to Islam could cause offence to other Muslims.
There are four terms used to refer to the terror group. They are ISIS, ISIL, Islamic State or IS, and Daesh.
ISIS stands for The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria and is most commonly used. It has thrown up problems with companies named after the Egyptian goddess of the same name.
ISIL is shortened from The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant. It is what the Foreign Secretary, Philip Hammond, uses when speaking of the group. Historically, the undefined region surrounding Syria is called Levant. IS or the Islamic State is how the terrorists describe themselves.
Daesh is the word used by the French government when referring to the group. It began referring to them as such after claiming any reference to Islam could cause offence to other Muslims.
Speaking in the Commons today, Mr Grayling added: 'I have a different view of what impartiality means to the BBC.
'During the second world war the BBC was a beacon of fact it was not expected to be impartial between Britain and Germany.
'Today it should be a beacon of fact, it is not expected to be impartial about the threat to the security and lives of the people of this country.'
Defence Secretary Michael Fallon later weighed into the row. He said: 'The BBC needs to be impartial about the facts, but you can't be impartial between terrorism and the rules by which the rest of us live.'
It comes after David Cameron criticised BBC presenter John Humphrys for referring to the group as Islamic State in the wake of the Tunisian terror attack.
Gunman Seifeddine Rezgui targeted tourists at the Tunisian beach resort of El Kantaoui near Sousse on Friday morning, killing 38 people including up to 30 British tourists.
It makes it the worst terror attack on Britons since the July 7 London bombings in 2005.
The Prime Minister - who calls the group 'ISIL' - said Muslims would 'recoil' at the phrase being used to justify the 'perversion of a great religion'.
Mr Cameron said he would prefer for the BBC to use the name Isil, which stands for Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, and is the name used by security forces.
The extremists are variously known as Islamic State, Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) and DAESH, based the Arabic acronym.
During his interview on BBC Radio 4's Today programme on Monday Mr Cameron referred to the group as 'ISIL'.
'I wish the BBC would stop calling it Islamic State because it's not an Islamic State; what it is is an appalling, barbarous regime,' Mr Cameron said.
'It is a perversion of the religion of Islam and many Muslims listening to this programme will recoil every time they hear the words 'Islamic State'. 'So-called' or Isil is better,' he added.
Mr Cameron later repeated his criticism of the BBC in the Commons. He said: 'I think this is particularly offensive to many Muslims who see, as I see, not state but a barbaric regime of terrorism and oppression that takes delight in murder and oppressing women and murdering people because they are gay.
'I personally think that using the term ISIL or 'so-called' would be better than what they currently do.
'I don't think we will move them all the way to Daesh so I think saying ISIL is better than using Islamic State because it is in my view neither Islamic nor a state.'