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Post by Teddy Bear on Mar 8, 2012 21:30:32 GMT
It was probably the phone-in that Miliband did on 5live this week where surprisingly for a BBC audience, some of the callers were less than complimentary to him. You can read about it, and watch a clip here.
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Post by carl1960 on Mar 12, 2012 12:55:43 GMT
Ok so I've now sent off a reminder to this complaint as this is unanswered I note that when I copy and paste the reference their complaint system won't accept it. No reply to reference Case number CAS-1318791-0ZPQQHþ. Your system will not accept this reference it was E-mailed on 24/2/12. YOUR COMPLAINT: Complaint Summary: Rochdale unrest Full Complaint: I was watching the breakfast report this morning concerning the unrest in Rochdale which was vague in the extreme. The report concentrated on a priest telling on his concern about children being involved. It was also stated that there were banners but no effort was made to tell us what was written on the banners. So exactly what was going? Or was this a solve it yourself puzzle for the viewers. However after looking at a couple of sites on the internet it became obvious what this incident was all about pretty quickly. How your report could fail to tell us is pretty hard to believe. By mid day your report had changed, one could surmise that was because the information was already out there on the internet. The fact that it was conneted to the Liverpool Crown court case that you initially failed to report on (I complained about this matter on 6/2/12) was no suprise to many of us. I then noted your reporter appearing to ask leading questions to a "witness" asking if the incident was organised by the BNP. I do recall complaining last year when during the trial of an an alleged grooming gang you chose to concentrate on a BNP demonstration instead of the on going court case. Can you explain why the report was so vague as some may think this was done for a reason? ---------- Please do not reply to this message. We aim to respond within 10 working days, depending on how long it takes to investigate your complaint. All feedback we receive is appreciated as it helps to inform decisions in the future. For information about the BBC complaints process please visit the how we handle your complaint page: www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/handle.shtml Thank you again for contacting us. BBC Complaints NB: Please do not reply to this email. It comes from an automated account which is not monitored
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Post by Teddy Bear on Mar 12, 2012 19:41:44 GMT
Great job Carl - keep 'em coming.
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Post by carl1960 on Mar 13, 2012 12:39:36 GMT
Oh I filled in that exercise that you highlighted to me Teddy. Seems that (from what I read) the BBc doesn't like "repeticious" complaints. Well I don't like repeticious bias.
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Post by Teddy Bear on Mar 13, 2012 21:32:55 GMT
Well done Carl As we know, the BBC doesn't want independent thinkers. "How dare you think for yourself"?
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Post by carl1960 on Mar 16, 2012 17:15:25 GMT
So another weeek draws to a close I've just checked my E-mail and no reply from the BBc on my two outstanding complaints despite reminders being sent for both. I think I may well fire off a letter to Jeremy Hunt. Let's hope they are better at answering letters at the Department for Culture, Olympics, Media and Sport then when I last wrote to them in Liebours reign and they obviously didn't want to respond I've just had the misfortune to watch the end of Blue Peter (what the hell happened to that?) where the presenter a a chef were in a competition with each other to produce a "low carbon eco-friendly meal. Whoop de whoop imagine Val Singleton or Peter Purvis doing that. Must be a slack news day at Newsround (perhaps they should rename it Pravda) as they were running the abandoned horse /RSPCA story that was run days away. Nice to see the new presenter still getting it wrong. Anyway time for a noice bacon sandwich as I defy the RED MEAT IS DEATH story from earlier in the week. Once again details of the study are were restricted to the results and not facts such as how this conclusion was arrived at.
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Post by Teddy Bear on Mar 17, 2012 18:29:19 GMT
This Newswatch clip might have relevance for you Carl, or one can imagine, 'designed' with you in mind. Let me know what you think.
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Post by carl1960 on Mar 17, 2012 20:59:29 GMT
Thanks for that. I would say is look at the replies that I have had from the BBc, my case rests. It's interesting that they don't want to spend any time oon any complaint they do not view as "serious" and they don't want to "waste" the license fee payers money on these complaints. So who exactly are the license fee payers ..in this house that would be us then. I did note Shoddy stating some people think the BBc is pro Israel really I think you would have to be on some pretty strong reality changing drugs to believe that one.
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Post by Teddy Bear on Mar 18, 2012 1:07:30 GMT
To those Islamists brainwashed and filled with hate against Israel and the West, the fact that the BBC doesn't quite denounce Israel in the same tones as their Imam makes the BBC appear pro-Israel.
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Post by carl1960 on Mar 19, 2012 6:44:17 GMT
Not strictly a BBc issue however. Over the last couple of days the Goverment has set out it's plan to end national pay agreements for "certain" civil servants and lower wages in "low paid" areas.. Imagine my suprise (NOT!) when it turns out DWP is one of the "certain" selected workers. For thoses of you who don't know I spent 18 odd years working in what was DHSS. I can therefore assure you that wages in DWP are not fantastic, when I left to move boxes for a well known supermarket in 2001 I increased my pay by around a third. I have already fired off an "angey" E-mail to my MP asking if this will apply to other public sector workers i.e. Mps so I await my reply. Thinking on if implemented then this should apply to our publically funded mates at the BBc. I'm pretty certain Salford must be a "low Pay" area.
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Post by carl1960 on Mar 21, 2012 14:59:22 GMT
Ahh a reply!! Reference CAS-1318791-0ZPQQH Thank you for contacting us regarding, ‘North West Today’ broadcast on the 24 February 2012. I understand that you feel the report didn’t adequately address the unrest in Rochdale and had been overly vague in its presentation. We appreciate your concern and while we acknowledge that you would have liked the report to be more detailed, however as we’re sure you can appreciate, with any news story, this developed across the day with more information emerging from the police and others. That said, we understand that the police had advised that there was "some disorder" which was the result of tensions in the local communities in the area but only later linked it specifically to the Liverpool court case, as we then reported in subsequent reports and also online across the day as within the link below: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-17149799 This had also been reported on BBC Radio Lancashire’s 16:30 bulletin, however our regional breakfast bulletins are very short indeed and their role is to provide a snapshot with information known and confirmed at that time - obviously we do have limitations of resources at that time and the added difficulty that we are also relying on information and updated and clarification and confirmation from third parties who will not necessarily be available to us that early in the day hence we may not have been able to update our story as effectively as we would otherwise have done elsewhere across the day. Overall, we can only apologise if you felt that more detail could have been given in the Breakfast reports, but as you say yourself, later bulletins made the context absolutely clear and comment was sought from the police, business owners and others, the BBC has covered and will continue to cover the Liverpool court case in detail. Nevertheless, I acknowledge the strength of your complaint and I can assure you that I've registered your comments on our audience log. This is the internal report of audience feedback which we compile daily for all programme makers and commissioning executives within the BBC, and also their senior management. It ensures that your points, and all other comments we receive, are made available across the BBC. Thank you again for taking the time to contact us. Kind Regards Patrick Clyde BBC Complaints www.bbc.co.uk/complaints NB This is sent from an outgoing account only which is not monitored. You cannot reply to this email address but if necessary please contact us via our webform quoting any case number we provided. The BBC Trust is proposing some changes to the complaints service. Have your say at: consultations.external.bbc.co.uk/bbc/complaints_framework
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Post by carl1960 on Mar 21, 2012 15:05:02 GMT
ok my initial reaction. Lying b**stards. It was probably made clear as even by the time I'd made my complaint the full details were already at large on the internet. As for " "the BBC covered and will continue to cover the Liverpool court case in detail" err when was the last I heard about that, oh yes in connection with this story since then I have seen nothing. Which is exactly what happened last time.
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Post by carl1960 on Mar 21, 2012 18:05:09 GMT
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Post by thehighlandrebel on Mar 21, 2012 18:14:22 GMT
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Post by Teddy Bear on Mar 21, 2012 19:09:51 GMT
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Post by carl1960 on Mar 21, 2012 20:29:50 GMT
Missed that one. I note that the alledged French mass murder is now being described on BBc as "A man of Algerian descent" they were obviosly taken by suprise on Breakfast when the suspect was described as a muslim taken by suprise it wasn't A RIGHT WING NEO NAZI. Normal service is resumed
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Post by carl1960 on Mar 26, 2012 11:01:56 GMT
It would appear on face value North West tonight are up to their usual dirty tricks. I just caught their local news broadcast during breakfast. The article concerned a Liebour councillor calling for "extremists" to be banned from demonstrating as local businesses have been forced to close. I set the recorder to copy the following news item as I had to go out. However I have a suspicion it may be linked with certain court cases going on at the moment. If the story is being represented as I think it is I'll update this.
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Post by carl1960 on Mar 26, 2012 11:54:06 GMT
Ahh I see I have no reply on the anti-English immigrants are better educated and have a better work ethic sham story. On sending yet another complaint about non reply I note that the complaints system will not accept the complaint reference number that the BBc e-mailed me. CAS-1333739-9SNXZ1þ I have still received no response to this complaint: YOUR COMPLAINT:
Complaint Summary: Negative reporting on the English
Full Complaint: "We are confident that across the BBC we have heard contrasting views to those expressed by the Albanian chef in this report." I asked you to provide examples of this as unlike myself you were "confident", I'm still waiting. I assumes with such confidence on this issue you would have been able to reply almost immediately. Again I note your system will not accept the reference of an on-going complaint
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Post by cherenkov on Mar 26, 2012 11:56:37 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17487689labs.yougov.co.uk/news/2012/02/28/consumer-confidence-rising/www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/feb/29/uk-consumers-confident-economy-financesOf three indices of UK consumer confidence, two were up in February, the other, the Nationwide one, announced last week, was down, and of course was given more priority by the BBC and their fellow NUJ anti-Coalition colleagues in the Press than the other two! The thing is the NUJ who control BBC News know that if they suppress the positive and promote the negative in their main bulletins, such is their huge influence they think they can directly manipulate the UK Consumer Confidence Indices. However, despite their blatant political bias, as predictably demonstrated above, it seems that two out of three indices suggest their tactics aren't working as well as they want them to. I know it's small comfort, but that could be a hopeful sign even if the BBC continues to promote anti-government negativity in any way, however ridiculous or contrived, such as what horses the PM rides, or who he has to dinner, more people are beginning to see their coverage for what it really is!
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Post by carl1960 on Mar 26, 2012 12:01:27 GMT
Hi Cherenkov strangely enough I'm registered with the You Gov opinion poll to the best of my memory I've not being asked about the BBc though.
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Post by carl1960 on Mar 26, 2012 14:44:38 GMT
I bet they won't like this one now travelling towards them via the internet. In this article you featured the remarks by the labour council leader Colin Lambert wanting to ban "extremist" demonstrations from Greater Manchester. You then linked this story with the previous demonstration in Rochdale. However for what ever reason you just happened not to mention what these demonstrations were for as you now are clearly aware of this as per the reply to my complaint ref CAS-1318791-0ZPQQH I can not imagine for one second why you might have done this at is obviously relevant to the overall story. The story also mentioned that "some" shops had to shut early but did not specify why only "some" shops had to close early was it all the High Street shops or say just to give an example for arguments sake take away fast food shops?
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Post by carl1960 on Apr 3, 2012 16:50:37 GMT
Meanwhile back in La La land
Dear Mr Jackson
Your Reference CAS-1369700-CPZ7X6
Thank you for taking time to contact us again. We are sorry that you were not satisfied with our earlier response to your complaint and appreciate that you felt strongly enough to contact us again about the matter.
In these circumstances we do not undertake to reply within 10 days although we will of course respond further to you as soon as we can. The time taken depends on the nature of the issue, how many other complaints we have to investigate and it can also be affected by practical issues, such as whether a production team is available or away on location.
For these reasons we ask you not to contact us further in the meantime and apologise if you experience any delay. This is an automatic email sent from an account which is not monitored so you cannot reply to this address. However if it does prove necessary to contact us, for example if you experience continued delay, please use our webform and quote any case number we provided.
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Post by Teddy Bear on Apr 3, 2012 20:59:22 GMT
Let's face it Carl, you would have been surprised, as would all of us, if they would have given you a straight answer.
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Post by cherenkov on Apr 3, 2012 23:30:38 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01f5htvThis propaganda piece by the NUJ is highly revealing. At no point did the participants suggest that socialism lost ground because people came to realise that we were simply not rich enough, or competitive enough globally, to ever sustain the most moronic experiment in the history of social engineering, namely the the 'Welfare State'. Last Summer I met a real dick-head from Holland, in Wales of all places. When he said he was proud to be socialist I asked, 'What about Britain?' He said we were too overpopulated, unproductive, uncompetitive, institutionally work-shy, and simply not super-rich enough to afford socialism like his country could! While I could happily have wrung his former-tulip speculators neck for him, I couldn't fault a single word he was saying. We're fucked and we know we are, and even if we didn't think so before, listening to the intellectual equivalent of canine lamp-post leg-cocking of the current, soon to be sacked, Miliband, we can be sure. Because of course our internecine political death march cycle will ensure Labour will be back at the next election ready, with the TUC , to totally fuck our economy up all over again, and again, and again....... Happy Easter guys!
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Post by carl1960 on Apr 4, 2012 9:43:47 GMT
AS I have said in the past I spent 18 years or so at the DHSS and it's mutations working for the pensions agegency when I left. The myth of the "work shy" British is something I do not recognise from my experience of interviewing and paying people in that time. Yes there is a hardcore who are full time claiments, and certainly the system makes it attractive for certain groups (I'm talking about single parents) However the vast majority of people I had contact with didn't want to be on benefit. Anyway after watching Breakfast I note they were doing an article on the tanker driver's dispute with talks starting today. Oh yes here it comes PETROL PANIC and of course film of cars lined up at a garage. I went to fill up today the first time in about 3 weeks as I was running low and I normally fill up in this kind of time scale. Oh look no queue.
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Post by cherenkov on Apr 4, 2012 14:19:38 GMT
As regards 'work-shy', maybe not the best choice of words on my part. Over the decades don't you remember seeing BBC coverage of union mass meetings at BL for instance with all the walk-outs, strikes, working to rule etc etc. One of the firebrands, the late Mick McGahey was at least honest enough to sum it up with his definition of what his job was, namely to get his members to do as little work for as much money as possible.
I guess it depends where you are, but where I live it seems to me that more and more people are opting out of work in favour of benefits topped up with various remunerative activities in the booming black economy. At work I also notice this attitude of not really wanting to make anything other than a token effort, while openly voicing non-appreciation, and even outright contempt for their employers.
One of my colleagues proudly informed me that they had finally succeeded in getting her partner's lazy sod of a brother diagnosed with attention deficit disorder, thus opening the door to a lifetime on benefits!
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Post by carl1960 on Apr 4, 2012 17:03:59 GMT
Cherenkov, sorry if it sounded like I was criticising you that was not the intention. I was only passing on what I have seen in almost two decades of working in a front line benefit office. I could quote you loads of cases where people have been taking the piss however the majority of cases just never were like that. Certainly a large percentage of claiments got passed over onto "disability" but from evidence I have heard most now get found fit for work on review. They found a friend of mine fit for work last month despite the fact he is being proscribed morphine as a painkiller due to a back injury, Having first hand experience of a family member that was and still is takinng morphine due to a medical issue exactly what work my friend could do is open to question assuming that there were actually any jobs available. The current JSA rate is £67.50 for someone over 25. I was only stating my experience of benefit claiments, compared to the media portrayal which of course is the BBc immigrants are great workers stance. I'm still waiting for the BBc to reveal how they balanced up these comments as they have told me. Again my work experience does not match the BBc potrayal,
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Post by cherenkov on Apr 5, 2012 23:40:40 GMT
As I said, I think it depends on where you are.
Right now however, after hearing the main headline news on Sky News today which was that 10 'alleged' cases of racist misconduct by personnel in the Met have been referred to the IPCC (no mention that the Met employs more than 31,000 people), I need to write to the president of the NUJ to ask her why she and her members are trying to kill my wife's much loved son, himself an officer in the Met who. by the way, has been going out with a black girl for over two years!
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Post by cherenkov on Apr 8, 2012 22:36:10 GMT
I went down to London today to enjoy a meal with my step-son and his beautiful Venezualan coloured girlfriend of over two years who we all love. I took X aside and asked him about the NUJ discreditation of the Met campaign as described earlier.
He said nobody is getting to hear the full exchange between the guy who was arrested for looting flats that had had to be abandoned during the riots and the PC who he was determinedly trying to goad into using the N word in order to get off with his crimes (which I understand he has).
The NUJ has spent the last few days fueling the hatred and the mistrust of the 31,000 people working for the Met vs. the 8 million+ that the Met is meant to keep law-abiding.
My lad said straight away-'We all know you can can never refer to them as any kind of colour. The officer in question was wrong and he knew it and expects what's coming to him because he has no excuse.
But yet we who's children serve in the Met have to listen to the NUJ members who have taken over BBC News refer to our children as institutionally racist!!!
I beg him to get out of this country and go to just about anywhere else on Earth where his professionalism will be eagerly snapped up.
I think he, and thousands of of his colleagues are listening to their distraught parents now. For his sake I hope so. For London's sake- I couldn't give a flying fuck, especially if the BBC predicted (Spooks) Olympic Nuke goes off close enough to obliterate from existence the NUJ headquarters along with all the sanctimonious, reality-filtering idealistic lefties that are so determined to put my step-son's life in danger.
I think the sanctimonious Left will keep going after it's chosen enemies like the Metropolitan police until the fabric of society disintegrates and finally they can move in and live in the 'Dachas' and drive in their Mercs, while the rest of us work for subsistence wages, driven by the need to avoid being dragged in for questioning by the secret police! After all haven't I just described every 'socialist' society there has ever been! We're next.
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Post by carl1960 on Apr 10, 2012 10:19:00 GMT
So it's that time of the monthand my complaint about the anti-English bias rumble on. Yep it was 10/1/12 I started this and here we are April already. I'm now starting to assemble a Letter to the culture Secretary on this one (not that it will change anything apart from amuse me). Again the BBc complaint system is not accepting the last reference number for this complaint. Here we go again... I have still received no response to this complaint. "Full Complaint: CAS-1333739-9SNXZ1þ I have still received no response to this complaint: YOUR COMPLAINT: Complaint Summary: Negative reporting on the English Full Complaint: "We are confident that across the BBC we have heard contrasting views to those expressed by the Albanian chef in this report." I asked you to provide examples of this as unlike myself you were "confident", I'm still waiting. I assumes with such confidence on this issue you would have been able to reply almost immediately. Again I note your system will not accept the reference of an on-going complaint." I now also note that the reference number to this complaint CAS-1369347-3X3DPVþ now also appears to not be accepted by your complaints system.
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