Post by Teddy Bear on Feb 25, 2011 18:47:00 GMT
There are around 9500 British troops stationed in Afghanistan fighting along with NATO troops against the Taliban insurgency. As all of them will have discovered, part of the Islamic strategy is to use real or imaginary deaths of 'innocent civilians as a result of any military campaign in retaliation for their attacks. In Israel, this tactic has given this emotive type of propaganda by the Palestinians the term 'Pallywood', and there's plenty of real evidence to show it's done with the full complicity of the media. In this way they get public opinion 'on their side', and present themselves as the victim rather than perpetrator, and increase the followers to their 'cause.
By coincidence, the particular BBC reporter responsible for this particular piece of propaganda from Afghanistan is aptly named Paul Wood (Pallywood), as we shall show.
It is customary for Palestinians and Hezbolla in Lebanon to fire their rockets towards Israel from densely populated civilian areas, to make sure that there will be civilian deaths when a response comes. Or else there will be staged events carefully orchestrated, usually with children, with plenty of media on hand to document their enemy 'attack', even when this attack is from their own gunmen. Or else there are just wild claims of killings and injuries of civilians without any evidence to that fact. If the media are willing to run it as true, so much the better.
It's quite likely that many if not most of the civilian population in these war zones would prefer these militants to 'disappear' so that they can just get on with their lives, but one can imagine the pressure put on them by these extremists.
Point is. none of this tactic used by the militants is new, and the BBC, as well as the rest of the world's media is well aware of it. There has been a lot of debate as to whether the anti-Israel agenda of the BBC had anti-Semitism at its root, but as this story shows, the BBC agenda is simply to appease the sick foul pieces of shit that comprise militant Islam - at any cost, even the lives of our own soldiers.
The key elements of this story in which 50 women and children were supposedly killed by NATO forces, but based on the NATO account who deny it, and what we have seen as quite likely as evidenced elsewhere are these:
...pro-Taliban villagers have created a propaganda story that was taken up by politicians in Kabul eager to prove their nationalist credentials.
Yup we know that one - not only politicians in Kabul, but a lot of our own trying to get more power for themselves by pointing fingers at those 'responsible' for this 'tragedy'.
No video or photographs have yet emerged either of the operation or, crucially, of any bodies.
But the head of the Afghan investigation team said that victims were burned beyond recognition and buried in a mass grave.
How convenient!
Some Nato officers believe that village elders may have burned the hands and feet of children and sent them to hospital to create the impression of an incident involving civilians - adding to pressure to halt the operation.
Since I know that these civilians will allow their children to be out in front of their extremist gunmen to guarantee 'civilian' casualties, then I can believe this too.
More generally, according to the UN, the vast majority of civilian deaths in Afghanistan are caused by the Taliban, not the international forces.
But Afghans are convinced that Nato routinely bombs and shoots innocent people - and that belief is one of the things that keeps the insurgency alive.
So it's very useful for the Taliban to have these rumours spread - Aha!
The investigation team has just returned to Kabul and will report that some 36 insurgents were killed but that there is no evidence - from surveillance film of the battle - of any civilian deaths.
So who does the BBC give most credence to? Judge for yourselves. Just in case you miss it, here's the picture they run in their article.
Those killed and injured were said to include women and children
What a sick stupid society we have become that not only allows these fifth column traitors to publish their shit here, but actually force citizens to pay for it.
By coincidence, the particular BBC reporter responsible for this particular piece of propaganda from Afghanistan is aptly named Paul Wood (Pallywood), as we shall show.
It is customary for Palestinians and Hezbolla in Lebanon to fire their rockets towards Israel from densely populated civilian areas, to make sure that there will be civilian deaths when a response comes. Or else there will be staged events carefully orchestrated, usually with children, with plenty of media on hand to document their enemy 'attack', even when this attack is from their own gunmen. Or else there are just wild claims of killings and injuries of civilians without any evidence to that fact. If the media are willing to run it as true, so much the better.
It's quite likely that many if not most of the civilian population in these war zones would prefer these militants to 'disappear' so that they can just get on with their lives, but one can imagine the pressure put on them by these extremists.
Point is. none of this tactic used by the militants is new, and the BBC, as well as the rest of the world's media is well aware of it. There has been a lot of debate as to whether the anti-Israel agenda of the BBC had anti-Semitism at its root, but as this story shows, the BBC agenda is simply to appease the sick foul pieces of shit that comprise militant Islam - at any cost, even the lives of our own soldiers.
The key elements of this story in which 50 women and children were supposedly killed by NATO forces, but based on the NATO account who deny it, and what we have seen as quite likely as evidenced elsewhere are these:
...pro-Taliban villagers have created a propaganda story that was taken up by politicians in Kabul eager to prove their nationalist credentials.
Yup we know that one - not only politicians in Kabul, but a lot of our own trying to get more power for themselves by pointing fingers at those 'responsible' for this 'tragedy'.
No video or photographs have yet emerged either of the operation or, crucially, of any bodies.
But the head of the Afghan investigation team said that victims were burned beyond recognition and buried in a mass grave.
How convenient!
Some Nato officers believe that village elders may have burned the hands and feet of children and sent them to hospital to create the impression of an incident involving civilians - adding to pressure to halt the operation.
Since I know that these civilians will allow their children to be out in front of their extremist gunmen to guarantee 'civilian' casualties, then I can believe this too.
More generally, according to the UN, the vast majority of civilian deaths in Afghanistan are caused by the Taliban, not the international forces.
But Afghans are convinced that Nato routinely bombs and shoots innocent people - and that belief is one of the things that keeps the insurgency alive.
So it's very useful for the Taliban to have these rumours spread - Aha!
The investigation team has just returned to Kabul and will report that some 36 insurgents were killed but that there is no evidence - from surveillance film of the battle - of any civilian deaths.
So who does the BBC give most credence to? Judge for yourselves. Just in case you miss it, here's the picture they run in their article.
Those killed and injured were said to include women and children
What a sick stupid society we have become that not only allows these fifth column traitors to publish their shit here, but actually force citizens to pay for it.
Afghan probe says Nato killed dozens of Kunar civilians
By Paul Wood BBC News, Kabul
A boy, said to have been injured during a NATO air strike, lies on a hospital bed in Afghanistan's eastern Kunar province Those killed and injured were said to include women and children
Afghan government investigators have told the BBC that 65 civilians, including 50 women and children, were killed in a Nato operation last week.
But the Nato force, Isaf, says its initial findings show that no civilians were killed in Kunar province.
It said more than 30 insurgents died in an overnight raid in the area.
On Sunday, the provincial governor said civilians had been killed in recent Nato-led air strikes in a remote mountainous district.
Afghans - from President Hamid Karzai down - believe that in Kunar province, indiscriminate Nato firepower killed 20 women, 29 children, and more than a dozen unarmed men.
'Propaganda'
Nato believes there was not a single civilian casualty from its operation in Kunar.
It says that pro-Taliban villagers have created a propaganda story that was taken up by politicians in Kabul eager to prove their nationalist credentials.
The incident happened a week ago in a mountainous and sparsely populated area of the country.
Nato was carrying out a three-day offensive against Taliban fighters, using Apache attack helicopters equipped with 30-mm cannon Hellfire missiles.
The key battle was fought over a five-hour period, at night, in rugged terrain.
No video or photographs have yet emerged either of the operation or, crucially, of any bodies.
But the head of the Afghan investigation team said that victims were burned beyond recognition and buried in a mass grave.
One man from the village said that people were killed after they fled, terrified, from their homes.
He was speaking from the nearest hospital where people were being treated apparently for burns.
Some Nato officers believe that village elders may have burned the hands and feet of children and sent them to hospital to create the impression of an incident involving civilians - adding to pressure to halt the operation.
It is claimed that this suggestion was repeated in a meeting between the Nato commander, General David Petreaus, and President Karzai this week.
The president's spokesman called it "outrageous, insulting and racist".
Deepening rift
The rift will only deepen now that the official investigation set up by President Karzai has directly contradicted Nato's version of events.
The investigation team has just returned to Kabul and will report that some 36 insurgents were killed but that there is no evidence - from surveillance film of the battle - of any civilian deaths.
More generally, according to the UN, the vast majority of civilian deaths in Afghanistan are caused by the Taliban, not the international forces.
But Afghans are convinced that Nato routinely bombs and shoots innocent people - and that belief is one of the things that keeps the insurgency alive.
By Paul Wood BBC News, Kabul
A boy, said to have been injured during a NATO air strike, lies on a hospital bed in Afghanistan's eastern Kunar province Those killed and injured were said to include women and children
Afghan government investigators have told the BBC that 65 civilians, including 50 women and children, were killed in a Nato operation last week.
But the Nato force, Isaf, says its initial findings show that no civilians were killed in Kunar province.
It said more than 30 insurgents died in an overnight raid in the area.
On Sunday, the provincial governor said civilians had been killed in recent Nato-led air strikes in a remote mountainous district.
Afghans - from President Hamid Karzai down - believe that in Kunar province, indiscriminate Nato firepower killed 20 women, 29 children, and more than a dozen unarmed men.
'Propaganda'
Nato believes there was not a single civilian casualty from its operation in Kunar.
It says that pro-Taliban villagers have created a propaganda story that was taken up by politicians in Kabul eager to prove their nationalist credentials.
The incident happened a week ago in a mountainous and sparsely populated area of the country.
Nato was carrying out a three-day offensive against Taliban fighters, using Apache attack helicopters equipped with 30-mm cannon Hellfire missiles.
The key battle was fought over a five-hour period, at night, in rugged terrain.
No video or photographs have yet emerged either of the operation or, crucially, of any bodies.
But the head of the Afghan investigation team said that victims were burned beyond recognition and buried in a mass grave.
One man from the village said that people were killed after they fled, terrified, from their homes.
He was speaking from the nearest hospital where people were being treated apparently for burns.
Some Nato officers believe that village elders may have burned the hands and feet of children and sent them to hospital to create the impression of an incident involving civilians - adding to pressure to halt the operation.
It is claimed that this suggestion was repeated in a meeting between the Nato commander, General David Petreaus, and President Karzai this week.
The president's spokesman called it "outrageous, insulting and racist".
Deepening rift
The rift will only deepen now that the official investigation set up by President Karzai has directly contradicted Nato's version of events.
The investigation team has just returned to Kabul and will report that some 36 insurgents were killed but that there is no evidence - from surveillance film of the battle - of any civilian deaths.
More generally, according to the UN, the vast majority of civilian deaths in Afghanistan are caused by the Taliban, not the international forces.
But Afghans are convinced that Nato routinely bombs and shoots innocent people - and that belief is one of the things that keeps the insurgency alive.
