9/11 Anniversary Question Time Sickens Again

[Teddy Bear]

Though I watched the programme yesterday evening, I had to wait till today to write about it so I could give time for the revulsion to quell somewhat.

Those who watched the first Question Time episode following 9/11 itself 10 years ago might recall the outcry that was raised as a result of the anti-American rhetoric that was the general audience consensus, and that Americans deserved to die. It should also be remembered that more Britains died in 9/11 than in 7/7. There were so many complaints about the programme that the BBC were forced to apologize for their complicity.

Given all that, I knew that last night's episode was to mark the 10th anniversary of 9/11, what I wanted to see was whether it would make an attempt at balance this time or continue in it's usual biased mode, the agenda of which we detail here on the forum.

Given the panel, whereby 2 right-wingers vs 3 left plus Dimbleby it was definitely set to repeat it's past performance, all that remained was to see who would comprise the audience. True to form, the clearly majority left-wing composition ensured the BBC agenda would rein. This despite that the programme location was at an army regiment building in London, though no soldiers from it seemed to have been invited, and the majority of the audience seemed to be more 'multicultural' than indigenous.

Anybody who didn't see this episode and wants to form their own opinion first can watch it here, available for the next 12 months.

Here's how The Commentator saw it.

The BBC embarrasses Britain during the "9/11" Question Time... again

Last night's Question Time proved once again that Britain is, as David Cameron put it recently, 'sick'.

The Commentator
9 September 2011 at 11am

Watching BBC Question Time last night caused lumps to rise in our throats as the staunchly left-leaning audience once again proved just how reprehensible they are.

With a panel consisting of Defence Secretary Dr. Liam Fox, former Bush advisor Richard Perle, playwright Bonnie Greer, journalist Tariq Ali and former Foreign Secretary David Miliband – one could have expected a fiery debate about the necessity and success of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and how they have shaped the world, 10 years on.

Once again however, the BBC allowed the programme to go off the rails into Israel and America bashing, with scenes reminiscent of ten years ago, when as the dust was still settling around Manhattan, the BBC were forced to offer an apology for their role in the BBC Question Time that followed 9/11.

Remember the US ambassador who was brought close to tears as the hard-left audience insisted that America deserved 9/11 – that so many people deserved to die? The same point was made last night. Apparently, freedom loving countries bring attacks upon themselves for their "foreign policy". We would contest that if you have to blame any policy at all for jihadism, blame domestic policy – that is to say: blame democracy.

And so we must ask ourselves what exactly is wrong with our national conscience? Britain is now a country where looters have roamed the streets unchallenged, welfarist institutions are ring-fenced and we jump to blame ourselves for atrocities brought upon us by our ideological enemies.

This was ever apparent in the views espoused by audience members last night. The "violent" reaction to 9/11 was not progressive enough for them. Instead, the West should have rolled over – left Israel to rot and adopted Sharia courts, we presume?

Ok – a tad hyperbolic perhaps. But you’ll forgive us for finding the vacuum of ideas on the Left utterly deplorable. Even former leading light of New Labour David Miliband, whose government promoted interventionism post-9/11 on the basis of international security – rowed back and played Mr. Apologist. Truly sickening.

But that’s not to say that this battle is over. There were of course, pockets of resistance in an otherwise hostile audience. Those who applauded the excellent Richard Perle and his unapologetic common sense against commentators who were on the sidelines hollering after 9/11 rather than in the halls of power, taking tough decisions.

There were some who derided Bonnie Greer’s revisionist approach and Tariq Ali’s commentary which was almost pitch-perfect George Galloway channelling.

The battle of ideas in Britain is far from over. On 9/11 this year, remember the freedoms we believe in, what our troops fight for and remember the families of those whose lives were taken by those who wish to take the rest of us with them.

They say a picture is worth a thousand words. If you ever wanted to get an idea of which way the BBC is biased, you could start by looking at this webpage and see what exactly in previous Question Time programmes did the BBC highlight.


I don't think I need to consult a crystal ball to see how the upcoming episodes of Question Time will be presented. I note already that the Conservative Party conference is coming from Salford, a Labour constituency.

22 September - Birmingham (Liberal Democrat Conference)
29 September - Liverpool (Labour Party Conference)
6 October - Salford (Conservative Party Conference)

[benshi]

I didn't see Question Time 10 years ago. I clearly remember that day, and the horror and disbelief that I felt. I also remember thinking that this will create more awareness around the world of what Israelis deal with in their daily life. Suicide attacks designed to maximize civilian casualties and regular shelling of towns and settlements.

I thought the programme was intended to mark the anniversary of the terror attacks.
I was shocked to see how quickly the discussion moved to Israel and the notion that the US and other western countries alliance with Israel resulted in this atrocity and other terror attacks.

Acceptance of this gives credence to the view that willful killing of innocent people can somehow be excused. Truly shocking.

Over five whole minutes of discussion around the Israeli-Palestinian conflict went on. Israel was under attack, not the murderous terrorists who killed 3,000 innocent people in 09/11. Israel has had to fight for it's survival since 1948 against Arab countries and terrorist organisations who want it's destruction.

The view of many in the audience appeared to be that the root cause of terrorist Islamic attacks is the Israel-Palestinian conflict. Are those who accept this aware that Palestinians were killed in their thousands in Arab countries such as Jordan and Kuwait ? How much support do these monsters extend to fellow Muslims being butchered in Syria on a daily basis?

Radical Islam and the terrorists who perpetrate attacks in it's name have a stated aim of creating a new Muslim world. The killing of innocent civilians is justified in Jihad. It has nothing to do with The conflict between Israel and the Palestinians.

It is absolutely right for the US, Israel and other western countries to take action against terrorists and the fundamental Islamic regimes who harbor and support them.

Making a stand and taking action against terrorist organisations and the regimes which support them is necessary to combat these forces. Appeasing will only increase their strength, resulting in even more loss of life.

Lastly, in taking action we also support the moderate people in these countries, who are too scared to voice their opinion or take action against terrorists and extremists.

[Teddy Bear]

Good post Benshi

I believe Israel was mentioned on 5 separate occasions during the programme as the cause of 9/11. I think it's important to differentiate first why this view is fomented, and secondly, chosen to be believed.

Terrorists and extremists use any excuse to justify their actions, when in fact their real purpose is to create a Muslim world. Therefore any excuse that gives them a greater foothold will be used, wherein deception is promoted in the Koran to this end.

Here's where we need to understand the reason that somebody outside their mindset might accept the excuses given, what we've come to know as the 'left-wing' view.
I can say it in one word - FEAR, precisely fitting into the terrorists agenda.

Because of this fear, and the need for the individual to conceal it - especially from themselves, we see the mental machinations employed by left-wingers to justify their thinking, but shifting it to a different level so as to camouflage it. They convince themselves that they think this way because they care for 'the minority', 'freedom of speech', freedom of worship, and such like. That this is a lie is clearly obvious because they don't fully demonstrate this 'care' and concern to all, but is only directed at the will of the threat they wish to avoid. So they are quite happy to select the victim of these terrorists as deserving of their fate to ingratiate themselves with these terrorists.

We can see this all too clearly in the case of Israel. It's a State created by the majority international community to be a fitting home for Jews. A land where they would not be at the mercy of another regime that wanted to use them as the scapegoat, much like Germany had done in WW2.
Is there anybody who claims to be 'caring', intelligent, and moral who wouldn't believe that because of what Jews went through they don't absolutely deserve their own country? If so, I can't see how.

But as we know, it has consistently been the Arabs and many of the Muslims of the world that have not only been against the creation of Israel, but fought continually to prevent it.

Having successfully fought off many attempts by the surrounding Arabs to push every Jew into the sea, Israel became the only country in recorded history ever to return lands won in a defensive war following an agreed peace. And they didn't only do it once - as with Egypt, but twice - with Jordan. Egypt benefiting greatly from the tourist trade they were then able to inherit in Sinai and the Red Sea, which was hitherto totally undeveloped until Israel saw its potential and built a complete industry worth billions - and turned it over to the Egyptians with the peace deal, who then developed it further.

Also, while it is the Land of the Jews, those of every other religion practising within its borders has been also protected, unlike the treatment given to non-Muslims by its neighbours.

I think it's fairly obvious that any true compassionate caring intelligent person with the inherent values evolved within our society and believed to be the greatest would be applauding how Israel has embodied those values despite the forces levelled against them on a daily basis, and not only managed to thrive in their 60+ year history but contributed tremendously to modern pursuits.

Whereas looking at any of the Islamic societies surrounding Israel we see barbaric, sexist, and racist forces that haven't appeared able to evolve over many centuries, and but for Western assistance, in outward form at least, would be stuck there still.

It's a no-brainer.
Since the acceptance of the extremist Muslim assertion that Israel is to blame for their jihad is so illogical and counter to anybody's idea of just and fair, fear therefore has to be the motive. How else could anybody sanction the primitive and barbaric acts wherein they justify murdering anybody who gets in their way, and we see reports daily where they don't only kill non-Muslims as part of their power struggle, but Muslims from other sects.

As evil, but in a different way, is the insidious role of the BBC in assisting this disingenuous viewpoint . If they wanted to they could easily show how much bullshit is claimed by these Muslims. For this reason the BBC are in their way within our society as were the Nazis in Germany. It is not too far fetched to believe that the BBC, as possibly many Britains, actually want Israel to be ultimately destroyed, if only because it was the only country to force them out of their lands.

Without a doubt in the BBC there are both - the left wing thinkers as we identified above, and those with a conscious agenda.

[Teddy Bear]

An example from today's news to prove just how ludicrous is the claim made by these death and violence loving Muslims concerns Egyptians who stormed the Israeli embassy in Cairo.

Notice in the BBC report it calls this mob of rioters 'protesters', much like they called the vandals, thieves and rioters that we experienced recently in this country. They also present the excuse for this behaviour as a response to the deaths of 5 Egyptian policeman in the recent border incident where terrorists killed 8 Israelis. This despite the fact that it is still not clear who actually killed the 5 policeman and in what circumstances. However, what is known is that the terrorists infiltrated Israel from Egypt.

But if you look at this clip of the embassy attack on the BBC webpage you can see these 'protesters' lobbing numerous fire-bombs at police vehicles trying to halt this riot.

So let's see, they attacked the Israeli Embassy because they were angered by the death of 5 Egyptian policeman, and felt justified trying to kill some more to pursue their agenda.


Protesters set fire to a police vehicle outside the building


This thinking and excuses we're supposed to take seriously?