Post by Teddy Bear on Aug 10, 2013 19:04:16 GMT
I believe the writer of the following piece, John Redwood MP, is referring to a recent BBC programme 'Make Me a German'.
Perhaps to better understand what Mr. Redwood is referring to it's worthwhile first reading the fawning BBC webpage about the programme. Clearly their pro EU bias relies on them pushing Deutschland Deutschland Uber Alles'.
I've left the captions related to the photos they've used in the article to see it's really an understatement when I say 'fawning'. They couldn't be further up their arse if they tried.
Here's John Redwood's response:
Perhaps to better understand what Mr. Redwood is referring to it's worthwhile first reading the fawning BBC webpage about the programme. Clearly their pro EU bias relies on them pushing Deutschland Deutschland Uber Alles'.
I've left the captions related to the photos they've used in the article to see it's really an understatement when I say 'fawning'. They couldn't be further up their arse if they tried.
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'Make me a German'
Could learning to live like the average German help Britain obtain more success economically? That's the experiment a British family undertook in a new BBC TV program "Make me a German." So how did they fare?
As the economic crisis deepens, there is one country in Europe which stands out: Germany. It consistently outperforms its neighbors economically and is being held up as a model that we should all emulate. Britain, still sailing through the doldrums of minor growth, and not really out of the shadow of recession, has been busy comparing itself to Germany, wondering how whilst British manufacturing has declined, Germany's has soared.
'We need to become more Germanic'
The Prime Minister David Cameron, on a visit to a British factory this year was famously quoted as saying "we all need to become a bit more Germanic" in our way of doing things. It was this kind of belief, which has helped fuel the ideas behind a new BBC TV series looking at Europe's largest economy, Germany.
One of the programs in the series was entitled "Make me a German". It's premise? Send a British family of one BBC presenter, his wife who's a writer, and their two youngest kids, to Germany to "live like the average German". Justin Rowlatt and his wife Bee are used to trying out experimental ways of living for the BBC. A few years ago, they made the headlines trying out more ethical ways of living in their Hampstead town house, in a year long project entitled "Ethical man."
A picture of pigs To 'become' German, the British learn, you need to eat a lot of pork and potatoes
As we find out at the top of the program, the couple leave behind their oldest two kids, because the average German has less than two children. But they and their two youngest head to Nuremberg just before Easter, the town still enveloped in snow and bitterly cold.
They rent a nice light apartment, in the "GoHo" area of Nuremberg, for just 125 euros a week, because "most Germans rent" Justin tells the camera. "Many more than the Brits" whose obsession with "my home is my castle" means that "British people on average have much more debt than their German counterparts." 53,000 pounds more to be precise.
Learning to become a German
Bee and Justin learn that Germans eat a lot of pork, potatoes and drink a nice amount of beer every week. Surprisingly, the average German woman is said to do 4.28 hours of housework (including washing, cooking and cleaning) a day. Justin, bleary eyed, gets out of bed at 06.23 every morning, the time the average German, Mr Müller, is meant to open his eyes, and heads to work on the production line of the famed German pencil company, Faber Castell. Bee, on the other hand, with two young children, is expected to stay at home and fulfill those long hours of housework and childcare that Mrs Müller apparently indulges in.
"I became what I termed 'the reluctant hausfrau' staying at home and not working - it's really not my cup of tea," Bee told DW. "It became very clear very quickly that there are very strong push-pull factors at play which encourage mothers away from the work force and I did struggle with that."
But if that means that families get to spend more time together, couldn't that be regarded as positive?
"No, I would see it more positively if it followed the Scandinavian model, where men are encouraged to spend more time at home" Bee answers decisively.
'The sense of orderliness was positive'
That said, Bee admitted that she really enjoyed the experiment and took away a lot of positives from German society.
A picture of German beer Justin Rowlatt was happy to report he 'exceeded' his beer and wine quota for the week
"I really enjoyed the outdoor lifestyles with environmental concerns, I liked the food and the drink. I really enjoyed the sense of community, the orderliness. There are many things that I think we could learn from."
Bee herself is half German, although she grew up in Britain. The couple joke at the start of the program about her "Teutonic qualities". Bee likes to "merrily sit and chat whilst on the toilet" she confides to the viewers, "but that's just the way I grew up". So after the two week experiment, did she feel more German or British?
"It didn't confirm my Britishness, no. Some of the things that annoyed Justin, I actually thought were a good thing," she told DW.
"The being told off if your child doesn't have a coat on, or you've parked badly, any little misdemeanor, they will comment on it, and say 'you haven't done that right, you need to do it this way' and I think that in Britain people will just grumble about it to themselves, but at least in Germany they will tell you what they think."
Secret of success
Justin was put to work on a production line, his average salary per month would have been about two and a half thousand euros. His German colleagues, Timo and Danny got on with their jobs and worked hard, and he felt the sense of community and team work in the "Deutsche Mittelstand" the medium sized companies meant that, in Bee's words "people just get on with it, without faffing around."
The couple invited more 'average Germans' around to their house each night to ask them about the country. Over meals of würste (sausages) and potato salad one student told them that "she couldn't believe how much personal detail the British share with their colleagues." Plans for the weekend, how drunk they got the night before, all meant that the UK, in her opinion, seems to have a much less efficient workforce.
To illustrate this, Justin archly attempts to use his mobile at work and send an SMS. He gets short shrift and quickly understands that for the eight hours the average German is expected to work, full concentration is needed.
'Make me a Brit' will probably not be a hit on German TV
One of the funniest aspects of the program was the realization for the British that Germans would probably never make a show entitled 'Make me a Brit'. At the beginning, Justin wonders what the Germans think of the Brits. He gets his answer over dinner half way through the week: "Boring and quite rainy". Pushed a bit further, another German guest volunteers "we sometimes hear about the Queen" and then goes on to berate the British on their working habits.
"Tell it like it is" jokes Justin, perhaps a little taken aback. Bee, more au fait with Germans' indifference to Britain, explains that she wasn't so surprised. "This was one of the reasons I really wanted to do this program, because I'm endlessly surprised by the chip on the shoulder that the British have towards the Germans. We're still harboring a one way grudge against Germany, and the Germans really don't seem to notice, or care what the British think." Bee laughs. "To us, we're still bothered about the war, I'm sorry to say that but it still does come down to that for most British people unfortunately."
A picture of German children playing in forest daycare (Photo: ddp/Jens Schlueter)
Germany is a 'children's paradise' thought Bee Rowlatt
'A children's paradise'
After a hard working week, the family learn that Sunday is a day of rest. There is no going to supermarkets as shops are closed, and neighbors will not appreciate it if the kids wake up at 6am and start jumping around. The rest of the week, to dissipate some energy, and try another aspect of Teutonic life, daughter Elsa, tries out the "Waldkindergarten" or forest daycare. "This makes me want to be a child myself" enthuses Bee. "All these kids climbing trees and running around, it was so magic, it was lovely, that was probably my favorite part of the experiment," she recalls. "Kids have time to be just kids, everything is geared to childhood."
Bee was buoyed up by her experiences. So what, if anything will she take home from the "German experience?" "The main thing I learnt is that we could all be a lot more focused at work. The trade off is you work a shorter day. It's very hard to argue with that." She hopes to "import" some of these lessons into daily life in the UK. Without wanting to fall into clichés, efficiency was their watchword. Bee says that she is "trying to emulate" German efficiency and make it work for her back in Britain, although how exactly she will do that, is left vague.
'Make me a German'
Could learning to live like the average German help Britain obtain more success economically? That's the experiment a British family undertook in a new BBC TV program "Make me a German." So how did they fare?
As the economic crisis deepens, there is one country in Europe which stands out: Germany. It consistently outperforms its neighbors economically and is being held up as a model that we should all emulate. Britain, still sailing through the doldrums of minor growth, and not really out of the shadow of recession, has been busy comparing itself to Germany, wondering how whilst British manufacturing has declined, Germany's has soared.
'We need to become more Germanic'
The Prime Minister David Cameron, on a visit to a British factory this year was famously quoted as saying "we all need to become a bit more Germanic" in our way of doing things. It was this kind of belief, which has helped fuel the ideas behind a new BBC TV series looking at Europe's largest economy, Germany.
One of the programs in the series was entitled "Make me a German". It's premise? Send a British family of one BBC presenter, his wife who's a writer, and their two youngest kids, to Germany to "live like the average German". Justin Rowlatt and his wife Bee are used to trying out experimental ways of living for the BBC. A few years ago, they made the headlines trying out more ethical ways of living in their Hampstead town house, in a year long project entitled "Ethical man."
A picture of pigs To 'become' German, the British learn, you need to eat a lot of pork and potatoes
As we find out at the top of the program, the couple leave behind their oldest two kids, because the average German has less than two children. But they and their two youngest head to Nuremberg just before Easter, the town still enveloped in snow and bitterly cold.
They rent a nice light apartment, in the "GoHo" area of Nuremberg, for just 125 euros a week, because "most Germans rent" Justin tells the camera. "Many more than the Brits" whose obsession with "my home is my castle" means that "British people on average have much more debt than their German counterparts." 53,000 pounds more to be precise.
Learning to become a German
Bee and Justin learn that Germans eat a lot of pork, potatoes and drink a nice amount of beer every week. Surprisingly, the average German woman is said to do 4.28 hours of housework (including washing, cooking and cleaning) a day. Justin, bleary eyed, gets out of bed at 06.23 every morning, the time the average German, Mr Müller, is meant to open his eyes, and heads to work on the production line of the famed German pencil company, Faber Castell. Bee, on the other hand, with two young children, is expected to stay at home and fulfill those long hours of housework and childcare that Mrs Müller apparently indulges in.
"I became what I termed 'the reluctant hausfrau' staying at home and not working - it's really not my cup of tea," Bee told DW. "It became very clear very quickly that there are very strong push-pull factors at play which encourage mothers away from the work force and I did struggle with that."
But if that means that families get to spend more time together, couldn't that be regarded as positive?
"No, I would see it more positively if it followed the Scandinavian model, where men are encouraged to spend more time at home" Bee answers decisively.
'The sense of orderliness was positive'
That said, Bee admitted that she really enjoyed the experiment and took away a lot of positives from German society.
A picture of German beer Justin Rowlatt was happy to report he 'exceeded' his beer and wine quota for the week
"I really enjoyed the outdoor lifestyles with environmental concerns, I liked the food and the drink. I really enjoyed the sense of community, the orderliness. There are many things that I think we could learn from."
Bee herself is half German, although she grew up in Britain. The couple joke at the start of the program about her "Teutonic qualities". Bee likes to "merrily sit and chat whilst on the toilet" she confides to the viewers, "but that's just the way I grew up". So after the two week experiment, did she feel more German or British?
"It didn't confirm my Britishness, no. Some of the things that annoyed Justin, I actually thought were a good thing," she told DW.
"The being told off if your child doesn't have a coat on, or you've parked badly, any little misdemeanor, they will comment on it, and say 'you haven't done that right, you need to do it this way' and I think that in Britain people will just grumble about it to themselves, but at least in Germany they will tell you what they think."
Secret of success
Justin was put to work on a production line, his average salary per month would have been about two and a half thousand euros. His German colleagues, Timo and Danny got on with their jobs and worked hard, and he felt the sense of community and team work in the "Deutsche Mittelstand" the medium sized companies meant that, in Bee's words "people just get on with it, without faffing around."
The couple invited more 'average Germans' around to their house each night to ask them about the country. Over meals of würste (sausages) and potato salad one student told them that "she couldn't believe how much personal detail the British share with their colleagues." Plans for the weekend, how drunk they got the night before, all meant that the UK, in her opinion, seems to have a much less efficient workforce.
To illustrate this, Justin archly attempts to use his mobile at work and send an SMS. He gets short shrift and quickly understands that for the eight hours the average German is expected to work, full concentration is needed.
'Make me a Brit' will probably not be a hit on German TV
One of the funniest aspects of the program was the realization for the British that Germans would probably never make a show entitled 'Make me a Brit'. At the beginning, Justin wonders what the Germans think of the Brits. He gets his answer over dinner half way through the week: "Boring and quite rainy". Pushed a bit further, another German guest volunteers "we sometimes hear about the Queen" and then goes on to berate the British on their working habits.
"Tell it like it is" jokes Justin, perhaps a little taken aback. Bee, more au fait with Germans' indifference to Britain, explains that she wasn't so surprised. "This was one of the reasons I really wanted to do this program, because I'm endlessly surprised by the chip on the shoulder that the British have towards the Germans. We're still harboring a one way grudge against Germany, and the Germans really don't seem to notice, or care what the British think." Bee laughs. "To us, we're still bothered about the war, I'm sorry to say that but it still does come down to that for most British people unfortunately."
A picture of German children playing in forest daycare (Photo: ddp/Jens Schlueter)
Germany is a 'children's paradise' thought Bee Rowlatt
'A children's paradise'
After a hard working week, the family learn that Sunday is a day of rest. There is no going to supermarkets as shops are closed, and neighbors will not appreciate it if the kids wake up at 6am and start jumping around. The rest of the week, to dissipate some energy, and try another aspect of Teutonic life, daughter Elsa, tries out the "Waldkindergarten" or forest daycare. "This makes me want to be a child myself" enthuses Bee. "All these kids climbing trees and running around, it was so magic, it was lovely, that was probably my favorite part of the experiment," she recalls. "Kids have time to be just kids, everything is geared to childhood."
Bee was buoyed up by her experiences. So what, if anything will she take home from the "German experience?" "The main thing I learnt is that we could all be a lot more focused at work. The trade off is you work a shorter day. It's very hard to argue with that." She hopes to "import" some of these lessons into daily life in the UK. Without wanting to fall into clichés, efficiency was their watchword. Bee says that she is "trying to emulate" German efficiency and make it work for her back in Britain, although how exactly she will do that, is left vague.
Here's John Redwood's response:
BBC's propagandistic obsession with German economy, ignores Anglo-American prowess
If the BBC is keen to see how we can live more prosperously, it might make the odd film that was complimentary about the USA
by John Redwood MP
I missed the BBC propaganda movie arguing it’s better in Germany. Apparently the German emphasis on more rented housing and industry makes for a richer and more successful economy and society. Let us examine that proposition.
If we look at the income per head figures the comparisons are interesting. In Europe the two richest countries are non EU members, Norway and Switzerland. They are more than $5,000 a head richer than Germany. Norway manages it thanks to great natural resources, fish and oil, that stay outside the clutches of the EU.
Switzerland manages it thanks to excellence in selected industries like watches and chocolate, complemented by banking and financial services.
All the surveys also show that the USA is richer per head than Germany or the UK, by around one quarter or $10,000 a head. If the BBC is keen to see how we can live more prosperously, it might make the odd film that was complimentary about the USA.
The Penn (Pennslyvania University) World survey shows the UK just ahead of Germany in income per head by $300. The IMF shows the UK a little below, by around $2,000. All the main surveys agree that the UK and Germany are usefully ahead of Italy and Spain, and most put the UK ahead of France and Japan.
There is nothing in the figures to suggest Germany is way ahead, or that Germany is anywhere near catching the USA, Singapore, Norway, Switzerland and the other world leaders. Germany is also usually ranked below Sweden and Denmark , non- Euro members of the EU. On the numbers there is not a great deal to explain about alleged superior German performance.
I cannot see how having more rented housing is a magic ingredient that helps Germany. The UK has experienced a rising private rented sector in recent years, but these have been poor years for overall growth of the economy. Most people still have a strong preference for ownership, and there is nothing wrong with an economy that seeks to satisfy that natural wish for as many as possible.
It is true that Germany has a strong and successful engineering sector, larger than the UK’s in many segments. Where the UK is strong in aerospace engineering and defence related, Germany is larger and stronger in cars, heavy plant and machinery. Where Germany is strong in basic chemcials, the UK is strong in pharmaceuticals. The UK relies on a bigger and more successful service sector, especially in business, legal and financial services.
As someone who has in the past run companies with engineering plants in the UK, the US, Germany and elsewhere I would urge people to beware of facile generalisations. I have seen poorly led German factories where Anglo Saxon managers can teach them things, and I have seen brilliant German factories with state of the art equipment.
There is a bigger spread in quality and achievement within both Germany and within the UK when it comes to factories, than between the German average and the UK average. USA productivity is on average higher. The BBC should go and find out why, by talking to some US workers.
The Rt Hon John Redwood MP is the Member of UK Parliament for Wokingham and the Chairman of the Conservative Economic Affairs Committee. His articles are cross-posted on his blog by agreement
If the BBC is keen to see how we can live more prosperously, it might make the odd film that was complimentary about the USA
by John Redwood MP
I missed the BBC propaganda movie arguing it’s better in Germany. Apparently the German emphasis on more rented housing and industry makes for a richer and more successful economy and society. Let us examine that proposition.
If we look at the income per head figures the comparisons are interesting. In Europe the two richest countries are non EU members, Norway and Switzerland. They are more than $5,000 a head richer than Germany. Norway manages it thanks to great natural resources, fish and oil, that stay outside the clutches of the EU.
Switzerland manages it thanks to excellence in selected industries like watches and chocolate, complemented by banking and financial services.
All the surveys also show that the USA is richer per head than Germany or the UK, by around one quarter or $10,000 a head. If the BBC is keen to see how we can live more prosperously, it might make the odd film that was complimentary about the USA.
The Penn (Pennslyvania University) World survey shows the UK just ahead of Germany in income per head by $300. The IMF shows the UK a little below, by around $2,000. All the main surveys agree that the UK and Germany are usefully ahead of Italy and Spain, and most put the UK ahead of France and Japan.
There is nothing in the figures to suggest Germany is way ahead, or that Germany is anywhere near catching the USA, Singapore, Norway, Switzerland and the other world leaders. Germany is also usually ranked below Sweden and Denmark , non- Euro members of the EU. On the numbers there is not a great deal to explain about alleged superior German performance.
I cannot see how having more rented housing is a magic ingredient that helps Germany. The UK has experienced a rising private rented sector in recent years, but these have been poor years for overall growth of the economy. Most people still have a strong preference for ownership, and there is nothing wrong with an economy that seeks to satisfy that natural wish for as many as possible.
It is true that Germany has a strong and successful engineering sector, larger than the UK’s in many segments. Where the UK is strong in aerospace engineering and defence related, Germany is larger and stronger in cars, heavy plant and machinery. Where Germany is strong in basic chemcials, the UK is strong in pharmaceuticals. The UK relies on a bigger and more successful service sector, especially in business, legal and financial services.
As someone who has in the past run companies with engineering plants in the UK, the US, Germany and elsewhere I would urge people to beware of facile generalisations. I have seen poorly led German factories where Anglo Saxon managers can teach them things, and I have seen brilliant German factories with state of the art equipment.
There is a bigger spread in quality and achievement within both Germany and within the UK when it comes to factories, than between the German average and the UK average. USA productivity is on average higher. The BBC should go and find out why, by talking to some US workers.
The Rt Hon John Redwood MP is the Member of UK Parliament for Wokingham and the Chairman of the Conservative Economic Affairs Committee. His articles are cross-posted on his blog by agreement
