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Post by Teddy Bear on Oct 7, 2005 19:43:27 GMT
For anyone wanting a preview of the likely manner of coverage of the upcoming 'Elusive Peace' documentary to be aired first on BBC this Monday at 10pm, one can follow the link on this page to see an interview with the producer on the BBC newscast which covered the 'Bush God' story. In the above article titled Bush God comments 'not literal', PM Abbas was quoted as saying: Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas, who attended the meeting in June 2003 too, also appears on the documentary series to recount how Mr Bush told him: "I have a moral and religious obligation. So I will get you a Palestinian state."
'Strong faith'
But in an interview for the BBC Arabic service on Friday, he said the president - who had just announced an end to hostilities in Iraq, was merely expressing his heartfelt commitment to peace in the Middle East.
"President Bush said that God guided him in what he should do, and this guidance led him to go to Afghanistan to rid it of terrorism after 9/11 and led him to Iraq to fight tyranny," he said.
"We understood that he was illustrating [in his comments] his strong faith and his belief that this is what God wanted." Contrast this with what the Palestinian negotiator claimed, which is that Bush said: the US president said he was "driven with a mission from God".
"God would tell me, George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan. And I did, and then God would tell me, George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq... And I did.
"And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East. And by God I'm gonna do it." So instead of the BBC questioning this divergence, which presents a very different meaning to what Bush might have said, they, along with the presenter in the video, prefer to go with the one that makes Bush look a fool. The real fools are them and those who suck this rubbish up.
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Post by Teddy Bear on Oct 7, 2005 22:52:30 GMT
Here's the original press release about the above story. Note the absolute lack of clarity about how Abu Mazan really phrased his words as see above. They just want to vilify Bush, regardless of any journalistic integrity. God told me to invade Iraq, Bush tells Palestinian ministers.President George W Bush told Palestinian ministers that God had told him to invade Afghanistan and Iraq - and create a Palestinian State, a new BBC series reveals.
In Elusive Peace: Israel and the Arabs, a major three-part series on BBC TWO (at 9.00pm on Monday 10, Monday 17 and Monday 24 October), Abu Mazen, Palestinian Prime Minister, and Nabil Shaath, his Foreign Minister, describe their first meeting with President Bush in June 2003. Nabil Shaath says: "President Bush said to all of us: 'I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, "George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan." And I did, and then God would tell me, "George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq …" And I did. And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, "Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East." And by God I'm gonna do it.'" Abu Mazen was at the same meeting and recounts how President Bush told him: "I have a moral and religious obligation. So I will get you a Palestinian state." The series charts the attempts to bring peace to the Middle East, from President Bill Clinton's peace talks in 1999/2000 to Israel's withdrawal from Gaza last August. Norma Percy, series producer of The 50 Years War (1998) returns, with producers Mark Anderson and Dan Edge, to tell the inside story of another seven years of crisis. Presidents and Prime Ministers, their generals and ministers tell what happened behind closed doors as peace talks failed and the intifada exploded.
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Post by Teddy Bear on Oct 10, 2005 0:30:55 GMT
Though he has hitherto denied it, George Bush regularly displays symptoms of dyslexiaThe BBC, the pretensive would be moral conscience for the nation, often hiding its bias behind its concern for the weak minorities, often to the detriment of Jews, would launch a tirade against a politician or leading figure who denigrated or scorned a handicapped person. Whether Bush has dyslexia or not, he surely is handicapped in some way. So why does the BBC feel they can heap so much scorn against him with impunity? How many dyslexics, who recognizing the pattern displayed by Bush, suspect he suffers the same disability, and seeing how the media mercilessly mock him, fear that society would do the same to them if they should become famous or powerful, and are otherwise patronizing if they keep a low profile? The BBC shows its 'liberal concerns' that it loves to portray itself as benefactor of, is merely a sham, and that in reality they have no morality or scruples. A probable consequence is our society probably loses the greatness that history has bestowed on humanity through dyslexics such as Architects Lord Richard Rogers (Lloyd's Building, Pompidou Centre) Jorn Utzon (Sydney Opera House) Artists/Sculptors Leonardo da Vinci Pablo Picasso Auguste Rodin Andy Warhol Peter Scott Authors Hans Christian Andersen Agatha Christie W.B. Yeats Lewis Carroll Ernest Hemingway Roald Dahl Mark Twain Actors/Entertainers Harrison Ford Tom Cruise Danny Glover Jack Nicholson Whoppi Goldberg Susan Hampshire Dustin Hoffman Oliver Reed Ben Elton Billy Bob Thornton Robin Williams Anthony Hopkins Bob Hoskins Steve McQueen George Burns Jeremy Irons Eddie Izzard Felicity Kendall Marlon Brando Sarah Miles Computers Steve Jobs (Apple) Computers William Hewlett (Hewlett Packard) Mike Norris (Computacenter) John Chambers (Cisco) Entrepreneurs Anita Rodthingy (Body Shop) Richard Branson (Virgin) Alan Sugar (Amstrad) Henry Ford (Ford) Paul Orfalea (Kinkos) Charles Schwab (Investor) Ted Turner (Turner Broadcasting Systems) F.W. Woolworth (Woolworths) Lord McAlpine Fashion Tommy Hilfiger Jodie Kidd Leaders Winston Churchill George Washington Michael Heseltine John F. Kennedy Thomas Jefferson Nelson Rockerfeller Woodrow Wilson Music John Lennon Mozart Beethoven Liam Gallagher Enrico Caruso Nigel Kennedy Military General George S. Patton Thomas Jonathan "Stonewall" Jackson Film Makers/Photographers Steven Speilberg Walt Disney David Bailey Ansel Adams Scientists and Inventors Albert Einstein Thomas Edison Michael Faraday Alexander Graham Bell Charles Darwin Werner Von Braun Wright Brothers Louis Pasteur Sports People Dennis Bergkamp (Footballer) Paul Merson (Footballer) Duncan Goodhew (Swimmer) Johnny Herbert (Motor racing) Jackie Stewart (Motor racing) Sandy Lyle (Golfer) Steven Redgrave (Rowing) Muhammad Ali (Boxing) Magic Johnson (Basketball) Diamond Dallas Page (Wrestling) Chris Boardman (Cyclist) Carl Lewis (Athlete)
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Post by steevo on Oct 11, 2005 7:13:47 GMT
Teddy, I don't know if you've read this article in the Opinion.Telegraph www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2005/10/11/do1102.xmlThey refer to the BBC as the source, and the release of their documentary. Here's a segment: "The White House said this was "absurd" and the only other Palestinian present at that meeting, Mahmoud Abbas, has denied Shaath's account of the conversation. As evidence of Bush's "Manichean convictions", the whole thing's a lot of Manichean piss, as the Belgians would say. "One suspects a few of those excitable British editors realised that, even as they stampeded to the picture desk to work up some shots of the President looking insanely beatific under the "It's Official: Bush 'Religious Nut' Says Respected Palestinian Intifada Apologist" headlines. One day, when they're sifting through the ruins of post-Christian Europe, archaeologists will marvel at the energy expended on the gleeful mockery of open religiosity. "Well, not all religiosity, of course. If there's anything worth jeering at or condescending to about a certain other big-time religion much in the news these days, the lads at the Guardian and Independent seem far less eager to lead the charge." The only bigotry in the US not condemned by our MSM is against Christians.
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Post by Teddy Bear on Oct 11, 2005 22:43:39 GMT
Steevo, Mark Steyn, like Melanie Phillips, always makes good sense - unfortunately a rare commodity nowadays. "The only bigotry in the US not condemned by our MSM is against Christians." It is of course Christian tolerance which made this state of affairs possible. We can see the beauty and desired goal in tolerance, but lines must be drawn. I would suggest that where it deviates from the goal of tolerance, is where the line should be drawn. Much like the purpose of the UN was inspired by a lofty vision to unite nations, not drive a wedge between them, but this is how it's being used.
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Post by steevo on Oct 12, 2005 3:26:39 GMT
And I remember when liberals, our beloved left, were kinda 'open-minded'. May they all go back to enjoying LSD
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Post by Teddy Bear on Oct 12, 2005 21:50:32 GMT
As for the documentary 'Elusive Peace' itself. At first glance one might think the first of this 3 part series fair and balanced, but only until one considers how much your own understanding and knowledge of Israeli/Arab history filled in the gaps to make it appear so. But if one looks at it from the perspective of what somebody who did not know the events there would understand, then one might question its fairness and balance.
For example, there was no background to the events that led up to the 1967 war, that caused Israel to take the Golan Heights, and were reluctant to give them up. No history too, for any viewer to understand how Jerusalem was originally meant by the UN to have been shared by all faiths, but the Arabs sought to keep the Jews out, and did so until the '67 war. So it was 'occupied territory' by Arabs before Jews. No clear explanation of why the Temple Mount was so important to Jews. No mention that the claim to the Al Aqsa mosque as being one of the holiest sites of Muslims has no link to any reference in their Koran, much less Jerusalem. The Muslims decided to put it on top of the Temple Mount precisely because it was the holiest Jewish site, then claimed Mohammed saw it in a dream. They also did not make clear that Sharons' 'walk' that supposedly led up to the intifada, was cleared in advance with the Palestinian Internal minister, but was used as the excuse to launch the intifada, which they had also been planning for some time. Without this understanding, no viewer could really see how Arafats' demands were so unacceptable to Israel.
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Post by Teddy Bear on Oct 12, 2005 21:56:41 GMT
Steevo, these types of 'liberals' are definately not hip - anything but. Acid might be an improvement to really open their minds. As an example, if one knows that a parent will purposefully maim their child so that they can make more money as beggars, one has to question whether it is still right to give. They unfortunately can't see past it, it confuses the view of the world that they want to maintain.
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