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Post by Teddy Bear on Jul 9, 2007 19:51:03 GMT
At a time when ANY criticism of Muslim attitudes and behaviour is avoided like the plague, yet criticism and demonization of Israel is fair game, and never mind the spin-off that extends to Jews as a whole, a programme this evening on Channel 4 by Richard Littlejohn is a complete breath of fresh air. It exposes the extent of anti-Semitism in this country, and its rise over the last years. Those behind it, and the real racism that goes almost unhindered. The War on Britain's Jews?
Monday, 9 Jul 2007 8:00pm - 9:00pm (1 Hour )
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Channel 4 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Littlejohn investigates the rise of anti-Semitism in Britain, brought to attention by an All-Party Parliamentary Inquiry in 2006. He explores how it has moved beyond the actions of the extreme right wing and people at the fringes of society, gaining a foothold throughout the country. The journalist meets victims of prejudice, visits a desecrated graveyard and joins police on the streets of Manchester to witness the problem first-handHonest Reporting has this to say on the programme:
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Post by Teddy Bear on Jul 9, 2007 20:05:45 GMT
Richard Littlejohn's own article in the Daily Mail, as well as the programme itself, is absolutely stupendous. Note the highlighted area (mine) about the BBC.
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Post by ascendinglark on Jul 9, 2007 23:14:51 GMT
I can absolutely confirm that the left is now the greatest source of anti-semitism. There's a group of leftists who protest Israel every weekend at Union Square in Manhattan, I've stood and listened to them on a number of occasions. When speaking to a crowd, they are careful not to cross the line from Israel bashing to Jew bashing, but when you listen to them engage people in the crowd one on one afterwards, then their attitudes border on outright Nazism. And to hear the assorted lefty hipsters and other "right on" people agreeing with them and nodding their heads - it's really scary to witness.
There was one time a little old Jewish lady approached the leader of the group to put him straight about a few things regarding Israel. He went berserk and started screaming in her face "I don't want to hear such bullshit, you're a f*cking Jew, all of you Israel apologists are f*cking Jews.
You will also find much anti-semitism from the left when it comes to Capitalism, the "horrors" of which they often associate with Jews. On a related note, if you go check out some of the anti-semitism on the Naziesque "Stormfront" site, many of them are rabidly anti Capitalism, which they see as the frontline of "Jewish greed".
If you imagine the political spectrum from right to left as a circle, it's only a short hop from far-left to far-right.
I think anti-Americanism is now taking on much of the same characteristics of anti-Semitism - irrational, misguided, based on lies and conjecture, ultimately based on rabid hatred. I have a friend in London who told me that at a recent festival she went to, the entire crowd started booing when a DJ got up to start his set and talked to the crowd in an American accent. They started throwing bottles at him. These attitudes will go unchecked, because the leftist establishment which PURPORTS to be "anti-bigotry" is actually highly bigoted itself.
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Post by steevo on Jul 10, 2007 4:08:50 GMT
Again, tolerance of the intolerant when they are in bed with the Left.
Christians in our country have to tolerate that double standard. Frankly any minority who happens to be a conservative whether Jew, black, Hispanic... anyone, who the Left normally champion can be discriminated against with racist and bigoted sentiment. In time I've watched it become more accepted. On the net just as an example you can read much of this at the Daily Kos, the most prominent American left-wing activist blog site.
It says it all... how true. The Left are fascist.
Al... you have said a lot and again not very pleasant.
I see these types every day. It is scary. Mindless hate. Geese remember the flower children?
I am surprised they're gonna show this Teddy. I just have to wonder if the Beeb are concerned about increasing talk, and not about Jews.
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Post by sirocco on Jul 10, 2007 10:31:36 GMT
I didn't see the documentary last night... wish I had though. But just reading through this post and it's links, I can see a familiar pattern: sensationalism by the Police (again)... please let me explain first.
I have lived in Agecroft for about 22 years and the graveyard that was allegedly vandalised is about 2 minutes walk from my house. Cheetham Hill - where King David's School resides - is about 10 minutes drive too. Being local then, you get to see what is really going on and not what the Police/Media want people to hear.
Cheetham Hill/Prestwich/Sedgley Park has a massive population of the Jewish community... probably the biggest in Manchester. The hatred is a reality but they admirably stick together and become stronger all the time. I've seen first hand the abuse that they take from Asians, Black people, White people... just about everyone. Cheetham Hill has a very large population of the Asian community too. To be precise, the number of different cultures is quite impressive. The Police have all too easily just labelled this as racial hatred towards Jews without even being bothered to explain what is going on.
There are two main issues causing problems:
1) Housing is one. The Jewish community is rapidly growing in the above three areas. You hardly see For Sale signs in these areas as the will for the two main ethnic cultures (Jews/Asians) to move into the safety of a community they know is strong. This does cause friction as people feel 'invaded' (not just Asians) by the Jewish community.
2) Local businesses (specifically Cheetham Hill) is a problem too. Vandalism occurs on both Jewish AND Asian shops quite regularly (and let's not forget King David's School too). Nobody really gets to know who has done it. The Police label it how they see fit without investigating what has really happened. Understandibly, there is anger between everyone and people are quick to blame whoever they see fit. The Police are put under pressure to get a result and so cut corners. It really is who shouts the loudest sometimes.
Moving onto the disgraceful vandalism of the graveyard in Agecroft, I think a few points need to be mentioned first. Agecroft is quite a deprived area. There is a very large council estate on Rainsough Brew and the cemetary is more or less opposite. Vandalsim is rife in the area and a lot of youths in the area use Agecroft country park to hang around in (which is right next to the cemetary).
I'm not saying Nazi thugs didn't vandalise the graveyard, because not even the Police know - they NEVER caught anybody. However, there is another (non-jewish) cemetry 5 minutes walk away and that IS vandalised regulary but the Police never mention anything about that. The kids around here are always throwing bricks at windows; joyriding is common leaving burnt out cars for everyone to see the next day; and ethnic minorities whether they be Jewish, Black, Asian, etc. always get abused on the street.
Finally, I know full well that I am only speaking with knowledge of the area that area I live in. The rest of the country will be a mixture of the same or completely different. My gripe is with the Police who don't have the guts to admit that they have monumentally f^&^& up on a number of issues in Manchester in general. Their incompentence is unparalleled and they are unfit to service the community. Sadly, these days, It is all too easy for them to show the little good that they DO do on the various TV programmes that are aired across the various TV channels and everyone thinks they are wonderful.
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Post by indikit on Jul 10, 2007 19:17:47 GMT
As an interesting personal experience of my own, I have recently been accused of being racist because of my anti-Islam views by someone I can only describe as an extreme left wing fanatic. He hates the police, thinks EVERY black person who is arrested is innocent, and is so anti-American it's embarrasing. His argument is that Islamophobia is purely for racists.
The saddest thing of all is that this guy is actually Jewish himself.
There is no hope - utterly no hope whatsoever for anyone on the extreme left. They are tantamount to a dangerous religion.
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Post by steevo on Jul 10, 2007 21:36:45 GMT
For anyone who has not seen it, its on YouTube in 6 installments here.
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Post by steevo on Jul 10, 2007 21:47:25 GMT
A letter from a beleaguered Brit:
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Post by Teddy Bear on Jul 10, 2007 21:53:10 GMT
Welcome Sirocco.
You make a valid point that not all attacks on Jews or Jewish sites qualify as anti-Semitism. Some are just victims of chance. All the citizens of this country, regardless of colour or religion, accept that crime happens, and most is 'blind'. However, if this attack is coupled with a derogatory term or sign, indicating that the attacker purposefully targetted this victim or group, then it is indeed racist.
In the footage that Littlejohn showed of the cemetery, many of the graves were painted with swastikas, and other offensive writing. This was not 'idle' vandalism. but an intention to create fear and mistrust against the Jews.
Those with evil intent against Jews have an agenda by which they are even trying to make making it difficult for Jews to voice their fears and incidents, by proclaiming anything that happens to a Jew, is termed anti-Semitism, thereby 'reducing' the significance.
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Post by Teddy Bear on Jul 10, 2007 21:54:49 GMT
Thanks for posting that link Steevo
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Post by Teddy Bear on Jul 10, 2007 21:59:03 GMT
Indi, I have heard of similar accounts of 'self-hating' Jews. There's probably some psychologist who earned his doctorate with a thesis on the subject.
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Post by sirocco on Jul 10, 2007 23:22:50 GMT
Teddy Bear, thanks for welcoming me... and I fully respect your point of view and don't wish offend anyone on this forum.
However, I've digested your comments and decided to take the dog for a walk and go on a 'sight seeing' tour to get some fresh air. The swastikas have long gone... but I knew that already because I live round here. Then I walked past the local corner shop owned by the two Muslims I know very well... they've still got "F$%$ O$% You P$%i B£$$%Ds" painted on their wall which they refuse to remove, because one day the Police might do something (fat chance). Then a few minutes away we have a Christian church... and for some stange reason we have strange symbols on the wall... ahh yes... they are Islamic symbols... and from the many sources I have spoke to they basically mean "Infidel" "Go to hell" "Antichrist". Then we have the Jewish graveyard in question... 20ft fences, regular Police patrols, 24 hour security with Alsation dogs...
Right lets get to the point... 2 women have been raped in the last 2 months... there has been one murder... umpteen muggins... and half of Manchester's Police force is camped outside a graveyard doing nothing but scratching their crotches. Please... get a train, get a bus, whatever... and see for yourself before defending something your have now proven you know nothing about.
I am not Orthodox and my surname isn't Cohen but I AM Jewish and don't need a Channel 4 documentary to show what is already obviously there.
We just want to be left alone with no publicity. We already KNOW the BBC are racist. We DON'T need Police help as they just make the situation even worse.
Like I said, thanks for your comments... Shalom.
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Post by Teddy Bear on Jul 11, 2007 19:00:23 GMT
Sirocco, I'm not entirely sure the point you're trying to make. My understanding is that you are saying that there is also anti-Christian acts going on, and not only anti-Semitic, besides mindless vandalism and muggings.
I would anyway believe that militant Islamists are targetting all other religions and beliefs, and would welcom an exposee on this too. What was heartening about Littlejohn's programme was it did show Islamists were responsible for inciting violence against Jews as well as the BNP. We know too well how the media tends to become very 'PC' when it comes to denouncing 'Islam' for anything.
As far as the police are concerned in tackling the problem, my feeling is it is not that they are unable to do anything about it, but more the government restrictions which basically 'ties their hands'. So long as the left leaning government feels they can appease these militants, and avoid direct confrontation, then other religious victims will increase.
I do appreciate your taking the time to research this matter, I hope also you will watch the programme, the links for which Steevo posted above, to understand the point being made by it. Also I welcome future contributions on this and any other topic that takes your fancy.
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