Post by Teddy Bear on Nov 21, 2010 18:30:23 GMT
The whole point of 'peace talks' is to discuss the necessary or desired outcomes as the precursor to peace. When one of the parties involved make preconditions before they enter into these talks, it is generally a sign that their intent is not for peace but control, since the alternative would involve negotiation - give and take.
I am not aware of ANYTHING EVER that the Palestinians have given to achieve peace. Abba Eban, the late President of Israel, said a long time ago about the Palestinians, that they have 'never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity'. True to form they have maintained this stance until the present day. Rather than accept 97% of their original land as a starting point for final negotiation, they instead launched a violent intifada that resulted in Israel building a security fence to prevent easy access for terrorists. Palestinians then complained that it made their lives harder, to which I think TOUGH SHIT - what goes around, comes around! Yet the BBC and other anti-Israel organisations ignore all this to present the Palestinians as oppressed and hard done by, which simply feeds the Palestinian strategy of give nothing and get what they can.
Even if they both achieved a genuine 2 state solution it has potential dangers which Robin Shepherd highlighted this week New poll proves Palestinians only want 2 state solution as stepping stone to single Palestinian state governed by Sharia law
Israel is the only nation in mankind's history to give back land on their own borders which they had won in a defensive war in return for a solid peace - not just once but twice. So whether Israel is building or not should not make any difference to the Palestinians as if any land that Israel is presently building on is eventually turned over to them, it is they who will benefit. Much like Egypt inheriting a complete and flourishing tourist industry in Sinai when Israel returned this to them. It had hitherto been completely undeveloped and was only occupied by Bedouins.
That the BBC continue to ignore these basic truths every time they run an article on the subject shows their total dishonesty in the interests of pursuing their own agenda. Peoples lives on both sides of this conflict are profoundly affected by how the media present these facts to the public, which determine who is rewarded by the world for doing what. Right now terrorists are rewarded for violence, surely not a good message to put into society.
Here's the latest from the BBC on the subject, you can contrast it with this article in The Telegraph Barack Obama praises latest Israeli plan as 'promising' that at least provides some details that are completely ignored by the BBC in pursuit of their twisted and distorted reality.
I am not aware of ANYTHING EVER that the Palestinians have given to achieve peace. Abba Eban, the late President of Israel, said a long time ago about the Palestinians, that they have 'never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity'. True to form they have maintained this stance until the present day. Rather than accept 97% of their original land as a starting point for final negotiation, they instead launched a violent intifada that resulted in Israel building a security fence to prevent easy access for terrorists. Palestinians then complained that it made their lives harder, to which I think TOUGH SHIT - what goes around, comes around! Yet the BBC and other anti-Israel organisations ignore all this to present the Palestinians as oppressed and hard done by, which simply feeds the Palestinian strategy of give nothing and get what they can.
Even if they both achieved a genuine 2 state solution it has potential dangers which Robin Shepherd highlighted this week New poll proves Palestinians only want 2 state solution as stepping stone to single Palestinian state governed by Sharia law
Israel is the only nation in mankind's history to give back land on their own borders which they had won in a defensive war in return for a solid peace - not just once but twice. So whether Israel is building or not should not make any difference to the Palestinians as if any land that Israel is presently building on is eventually turned over to them, it is they who will benefit. Much like Egypt inheriting a complete and flourishing tourist industry in Sinai when Israel returned this to them. It had hitherto been completely undeveloped and was only occupied by Bedouins.
That the BBC continue to ignore these basic truths every time they run an article on the subject shows their total dishonesty in the interests of pursuing their own agenda. Peoples lives on both sides of this conflict are profoundly affected by how the media present these facts to the public, which determine who is rewarded by the world for doing what. Right now terrorists are rewarded for violence, surely not a good message to put into society.
Here's the latest from the BBC on the subject, you can contrast it with this article in The Telegraph Barack Obama praises latest Israeli plan as 'promising' that at least provides some details that are completely ignored by the BBC in pursuit of their twisted and distorted reality.
Abbas rules out talks without full settlement freeze
Mr Abbas says the building freeze must be complete for the Palestinians to return to the talks
The Palestinian leader, Mahmoud Abbas, has ruled out returning to peace talks with the Israelis unless they stop building settlements in all occupied territories.
His comments come as the US is trying to push Israel to suspend settlement building, excluding in East Jerusalem.
Mr Abbas said he had not yet received an official request from Washington to return to negotiations.
Talks between Israelis and Palestinians briefly resumed in September.
But they were aborted a few weeks later when Israel refused to extend a moratorium on settlement building.
"If it does not encompass Jerusalem, in other words if there is not a complete freeze on settlement in all the Palestinian territories including Jerusalem, we will not accept it," Mr Abbas told reporters after talks with Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak.
"If Israel wants to return to its settlement activities, then we can't go on. A settlement freeze must include all of the Palestinian territories and above all Jerusalem," he said.
Persuasion and pressure
This is not the first time President Abbas has made such remarks, but the timing is significant: it comes at the start of a week where US President Barack Obama's push for Middle East peace could either die or, if he is lucky, just about limp on, says the BBC's Jon Donnison in Ramallah.
For weeks, the United States has been trying to persuade and pressure Israel to renew its freeze on building Jewish homes on occupied land in the West Bank.
This week, Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu is expected to ask his cabinet, which contains right-wing pro-settler members, to approve a 90-day freeze on the West Bank, excluding East Jerusalem.
President Obama seems to be bending over backwards to get Israelis and Palestinians talking again, but the torturously slow pace at which things are moving reflects that both sides seem to be dragging their heels, our correspondent adds.
Mr Abbas says the building freeze must be complete for the Palestinians to return to the talks
The Palestinian leader, Mahmoud Abbas, has ruled out returning to peace talks with the Israelis unless they stop building settlements in all occupied territories.
His comments come as the US is trying to push Israel to suspend settlement building, excluding in East Jerusalem.
Mr Abbas said he had not yet received an official request from Washington to return to negotiations.
Talks between Israelis and Palestinians briefly resumed in September.
But they were aborted a few weeks later when Israel refused to extend a moratorium on settlement building.
"If it does not encompass Jerusalem, in other words if there is not a complete freeze on settlement in all the Palestinian territories including Jerusalem, we will not accept it," Mr Abbas told reporters after talks with Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak.
"If Israel wants to return to its settlement activities, then we can't go on. A settlement freeze must include all of the Palestinian territories and above all Jerusalem," he said.
Persuasion and pressure
This is not the first time President Abbas has made such remarks, but the timing is significant: it comes at the start of a week where US President Barack Obama's push for Middle East peace could either die or, if he is lucky, just about limp on, says the BBC's Jon Donnison in Ramallah.
For weeks, the United States has been trying to persuade and pressure Israel to renew its freeze on building Jewish homes on occupied land in the West Bank.
This week, Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu is expected to ask his cabinet, which contains right-wing pro-settler members, to approve a 90-day freeze on the West Bank, excluding East Jerusalem.
President Obama seems to be bending over backwards to get Israelis and Palestinians talking again, but the torturously slow pace at which things are moving reflects that both sides seem to be dragging their heels, our correspondent adds.