Post by Teddy Bear on May 30, 2013 15:54:06 GMT
Well we've seen recently how following the gruesome murder of Lee Rigby, a serving soldier, on a London street by 2 Islamic brainwashed terrorists, the BBC shows more concern for Islamic sensibilities than those of the majority of its public.
They even invited Anjem Choudary, one of the men responsible for brainwashing these scum in the first place, and who back in 1998 predicted the Islamic flag will fly over Downing Street, onto their Newsnight programme for him to reaffirm his Islamic goals.
Not content with this, they now go into protective mode for 90 Afghan Islamic Militants captured by the British and held in a secure camp there. Let's be clear that these are Taliban militants who have the clear goal to kill as many British soldiers as they can to achieve their victory. The British hold them in captivity there because of a previous ruling that prevents them turning these Taliban over to the Afghan authorities because they might be tortured.
So the BBC gives a lawyer, who makes loads of money from legal aid 'fighting' their cause, a load of air time to plead these Taliban 'human rights', and that in their eyes justice would be served by releasing these Taliban so they can continue killing more of our soldiers.
The article below details more about the dubious cases that this lawyer, Phil Shiner (Philistine?), and the way he chases money without a care for any real consequences his actions might have.
If this doesn't make it clear to everybody that the BBC not only doesn't serve our society, but actually is instrumental in its downfall, for the benefit of its own poorly thought out world view, then nothing will.
They even invited Anjem Choudary, one of the men responsible for brainwashing these scum in the first place, and who back in 1998 predicted the Islamic flag will fly over Downing Street, onto their Newsnight programme for him to reaffirm his Islamic goals.
Not content with this, they now go into protective mode for 90 Afghan Islamic Militants captured by the British and held in a secure camp there. Let's be clear that these are Taliban militants who have the clear goal to kill as many British soldiers as they can to achieve their victory. The British hold them in captivity there because of a previous ruling that prevents them turning these Taliban over to the Afghan authorities because they might be tortured.
So the BBC gives a lawyer, who makes loads of money from legal aid 'fighting' their cause, a load of air time to plead these Taliban 'human rights', and that in their eyes justice would be served by releasing these Taliban so they can continue killing more of our soldiers.
The article below details more about the dubious cases that this lawyer, Phil Shiner (Philistine?), and the way he chases money without a care for any real consequences his actions might have.
If this doesn't make it clear to everybody that the BBC not only doesn't serve our society, but actually is instrumental in its downfall, for the benefit of its own poorly thought out world view, then nothing will.
Farce of 'British Guantanamo': Lawyers (with BBC help) demand 90 Afghans be freed but now say they're better off IN prison
By David Williams and Steve Doughty
Britain was embroiled in a costly legal farce last night over the fate of up to 90 Taliban detainees suspected of trying to kill UK troops.
Lawyers for the Afghans – given a huge platform yesterday by the BBC – claimed the prisoners are being illegally detained at a ‘secret’ prison within Camp Bastion in Helmand Province and demanded they be brought before a court or released.
But when Defence Secretary Philip Hammond indicated that the military was prepared to release them to the Afghan authorities, the same lawyers – funded by legal aid – said they might launch fresh action in the UK courts to prevent that happening.
They claim handing the prisoners over to the Afghan police would place them in danger of being tortured, and therefore infringe their human rights.
To add to the confusion, the Afghan defence ministry is now demanding the detainees be delivered to be dealt with ‘according to our judicial laws’.
The case had been presented on the BBC’s flagship Today programme as the scandal of Britain’s Guantanamo Bay.
But last night it appeared more fiasco than scandal.
Until last year, British forces in Afghanistan were allowed to detain suspects for a maximum of 96 hours except in ‘exceptional cases’ before handing them over to be dealt with by the Afghan authorities.
But in 2010 the High Court ordered that detainees should not be released into the hands of the Afghans because of concerns over torture.
Military vehicles sit in a compound in Camp Bastion, Afghanistan, awaiting redeployment to the UK after returning from the battlefield
Military vehicles sit in a compound in Camp Bastion, Afghanistan, awaiting redeployment to the UK after returning from the battlefield
So the only alternative to detention now is the release of prisoners into the local Afghan community, with the clear risk they would soon be launching fresh attacks on British troops.
Yesterday it was revealed that up to 90 Afghans are being held at Bastion, including a teenager who has been in custody for 14 months, without trial or access to lawyers in what British human rights lawyer Phil Shiner said was a breach of international law.
But Mr Hammond hit back, dismissing the claim of a secret jail as ‘patently absurd’ and warning that the release of the men – arrested by British soldiers in raids in Helmand and Kandahar provinces and believed to be responsible for the killing and wounding of troops – would put the UK military at risk.
He said: ‘These are people suspected of murdering British troops by facilitating or planting or being involved with IEDs (improvised explosive devices) at a time when most people are focused on how we protect our troops from being murdered, whether it’s on the streets of London or on the battlefield.’
Mr Hammond said Britain had been working with the Afghans to establish a ‘safe pathway’ for the transfer of the detainees and pointed out the legal proceedings were at ‘the expense, of course, of the British taxpayer’ because they are funded by the legal aid system.
‘We want nothing more than to be able to hand these people over,’ he said.
And last night the Ministry of Defence said it had found a ‘safe route’ to hand over the prisoners.
But Mr Shiner, of Public Interest Lawyers, representing some of those involved in the court action, claimed the Government was failing to deal with the suspects ‘humanely’ and according to international law.
‘The UK could have trained the Afghan authorities to detain people lawfully with proper standards and making sure that they are treated humanely,’ he said.
‘They could have monitored that, including inspections to make sure the Afghans were obeying the law. They have chosen not to do so.’
Richard Stein from law firm Leigh Day, who is representing one of the detainees, said: ‘We have been asking for access to our client since March and, to date, it has still not been provided.’
Last night General Zahir Azimi, a spokesman for the Afghan Ministry of Defence, demanded: ‘The prisoners must be handed over to the Afghan authorities.
‘They will be dealt with according to our laws, and agreements reached with the international community.’
However the lawyers may take more court action to prevent the men being handed over.
The man who loves to sue Britain... on legal aid, of course
Listeners to BBC radio were assured that it was a scandal to compare with Guantanamo Bay and the American detention of terror suspects without time limit and without trial.
Breathlessly, reporters revealed that they had been given documents showing 85 Afghans were in a British holding camp near Kabul. This might amount to unlawful detention and internment, they said.
A little later a familiar name appeared in the BBC reports. The Guantanamo comparison was made by crusading lawyer Phil Shiner, a long-time scourge of alleged wrongdoing by the armed forces in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Indeed, it was Mr Shiner who led the case that ended with a 2010 High Court block on the transfer of detainees from Camp Bastion to the Afghan authorities, which compelled the British military to keep so many prisoners in detention in the first place.
In January 2010 he wrote on the Guardian’s website: ‘My firm’s next case focuses on the UK’s detention policy in Afghanistan, where we routinely hand over Afghans to the Afghan authorities in full knowledge of the torture, summary executions and disappearances occurring within their facilities.’
Mr Shiner, 56, was a Birmingham University graduate who became an articled clerk and then a solicitor in the city. He worked for a decade for legal firms, a council estate project, a law centre and the Barnardo’s charity before founding his own firm in 1999.
The father of five is also a visiting professor at London Metropolitan University, a visiting fellow at the London School of Economics, and was awarded the title ‘Human Rights Lawyer of the Year’ in 2004.
He has repeatedly denied that he is an ‘ambulance chaser’ and calls the idea that he trawls for work‘ laughable’.
His firm, Public Interest Lawyers, made its name in Iraq, where Mr Shiner represented alleged victims of abuses by British troops, including relatives of Baha Mousa, who died in 2003 in British custody.
Nearly £3million has been paid in compensation to the family of Mr Mousa and other men. Mr Shiner sent a representative to Iraq to find and interview people who claimed to have been harmed by the British, and their claims were brought to the British courts.
Public Interest Lawyers says it is currently acting for more than 130 former detainees who allege that they or their family members were unlawfully detained, ill-treated, or killed by UK forces in Iraq.
The firm’s interests are, however, not exclusively abroad. It says its mission is ‘helping individuals like you challenge the unlawful behaviour of those who govern us both nationally and locally’.
Its most recent highly-publicised domestic case was last month when it represented a campaign group who objected to the use of unpaid workers in Surrey libraries on the grounds they had not received equality training.
It won the case and the county council was barred by a High Court judge from using volunteers to work in its libraries. This was, said Mr Shiner, a ‘fantastic result’.
The libraries are now threatened with closure.
- Eight of the inmates have been held for as long as 14 months
- They haven't been charged or given access to lawyers, it is claimed
- Defence Secretary Philip Hammond today defended the policy
By David Williams and Steve Doughty
Britain was embroiled in a costly legal farce last night over the fate of up to 90 Taliban detainees suspected of trying to kill UK troops.
Lawyers for the Afghans – given a huge platform yesterday by the BBC – claimed the prisoners are being illegally detained at a ‘secret’ prison within Camp Bastion in Helmand Province and demanded they be brought before a court or released.
But when Defence Secretary Philip Hammond indicated that the military was prepared to release them to the Afghan authorities, the same lawyers – funded by legal aid – said they might launch fresh action in the UK courts to prevent that happening.
They claim handing the prisoners over to the Afghan police would place them in danger of being tortured, and therefore infringe their human rights.
To add to the confusion, the Afghan defence ministry is now demanding the detainees be delivered to be dealt with ‘according to our judicial laws’.
The case had been presented on the BBC’s flagship Today programme as the scandal of Britain’s Guantanamo Bay.
But last night it appeared more fiasco than scandal.
Until last year, British forces in Afghanistan were allowed to detain suspects for a maximum of 96 hours except in ‘exceptional cases’ before handing them over to be dealt with by the Afghan authorities.
But in 2010 the High Court ordered that detainees should not be released into the hands of the Afghans because of concerns over torture.
Military vehicles sit in a compound in Camp Bastion, Afghanistan, awaiting redeployment to the UK after returning from the battlefield
Military vehicles sit in a compound in Camp Bastion, Afghanistan, awaiting redeployment to the UK after returning from the battlefield
So the only alternative to detention now is the release of prisoners into the local Afghan community, with the clear risk they would soon be launching fresh attacks on British troops.
Yesterday it was revealed that up to 90 Afghans are being held at Bastion, including a teenager who has been in custody for 14 months, without trial or access to lawyers in what British human rights lawyer Phil Shiner said was a breach of international law.
But Mr Hammond hit back, dismissing the claim of a secret jail as ‘patently absurd’ and warning that the release of the men – arrested by British soldiers in raids in Helmand and Kandahar provinces and believed to be responsible for the killing and wounding of troops – would put the UK military at risk.
He said: ‘These are people suspected of murdering British troops by facilitating or planting or being involved with IEDs (improvised explosive devices) at a time when most people are focused on how we protect our troops from being murdered, whether it’s on the streets of London or on the battlefield.’
Mr Hammond said Britain had been working with the Afghans to establish a ‘safe pathway’ for the transfer of the detainees and pointed out the legal proceedings were at ‘the expense, of course, of the British taxpayer’ because they are funded by the legal aid system.
‘We want nothing more than to be able to hand these people over,’ he said.
And last night the Ministry of Defence said it had found a ‘safe route’ to hand over the prisoners.
But Mr Shiner, of Public Interest Lawyers, representing some of those involved in the court action, claimed the Government was failing to deal with the suspects ‘humanely’ and according to international law.
‘The UK could have trained the Afghan authorities to detain people lawfully with proper standards and making sure that they are treated humanely,’ he said.
‘They could have monitored that, including inspections to make sure the Afghans were obeying the law. They have chosen not to do so.’
Richard Stein from law firm Leigh Day, who is representing one of the detainees, said: ‘We have been asking for access to our client since March and, to date, it has still not been provided.’
Last night General Zahir Azimi, a spokesman for the Afghan Ministry of Defence, demanded: ‘The prisoners must be handed over to the Afghan authorities.
‘They will be dealt with according to our laws, and agreements reached with the international community.’
However the lawyers may take more court action to prevent the men being handed over.
The man who loves to sue Britain... on legal aid, of course
Listeners to BBC radio were assured that it was a scandal to compare with Guantanamo Bay and the American detention of terror suspects without time limit and without trial.
Breathlessly, reporters revealed that they had been given documents showing 85 Afghans were in a British holding camp near Kabul. This might amount to unlawful detention and internment, they said.
A little later a familiar name appeared in the BBC reports. The Guantanamo comparison was made by crusading lawyer Phil Shiner, a long-time scourge of alleged wrongdoing by the armed forces in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Indeed, it was Mr Shiner who led the case that ended with a 2010 High Court block on the transfer of detainees from Camp Bastion to the Afghan authorities, which compelled the British military to keep so many prisoners in detention in the first place.
In January 2010 he wrote on the Guardian’s website: ‘My firm’s next case focuses on the UK’s detention policy in Afghanistan, where we routinely hand over Afghans to the Afghan authorities in full knowledge of the torture, summary executions and disappearances occurring within their facilities.’
Mr Shiner, 56, was a Birmingham University graduate who became an articled clerk and then a solicitor in the city. He worked for a decade for legal firms, a council estate project, a law centre and the Barnardo’s charity before founding his own firm in 1999.
The father of five is also a visiting professor at London Metropolitan University, a visiting fellow at the London School of Economics, and was awarded the title ‘Human Rights Lawyer of the Year’ in 2004.
He has repeatedly denied that he is an ‘ambulance chaser’ and calls the idea that he trawls for work‘ laughable’.
His firm, Public Interest Lawyers, made its name in Iraq, where Mr Shiner represented alleged victims of abuses by British troops, including relatives of Baha Mousa, who died in 2003 in British custody.
Nearly £3million has been paid in compensation to the family of Mr Mousa and other men. Mr Shiner sent a representative to Iraq to find and interview people who claimed to have been harmed by the British, and their claims were brought to the British courts.
Public Interest Lawyers says it is currently acting for more than 130 former detainees who allege that they or their family members were unlawfully detained, ill-treated, or killed by UK forces in Iraq.
The firm’s interests are, however, not exclusively abroad. It says its mission is ‘helping individuals like you challenge the unlawful behaviour of those who govern us both nationally and locally’.
Its most recent highly-publicised domestic case was last month when it represented a campaign group who objected to the use of unpaid workers in Surrey libraries on the grounds they had not received equality training.
It won the case and the county council was barred by a High Court judge from using volunteers to work in its libraries. This was, said Mr Shiner, a ‘fantastic result’.
The libraries are now threatened with closure.
