Post by Teddy Bear on May 14, 2015 16:27:33 GMT
The BBC sees no problem in equating the likes of Amjem Choudary, the notorious Islamic extremist hate preacher, with that of Mahatma Gandhi. No doubt it will make it easier for any Muslims who were deciding whether to engage in jihad against our society to be convinced that they were really freedom fighters, after all, that's what the BBC are helping to convince them.
I only wish that these BBC types would be the victims next time there is an attack, then they can learn whether comparing Choudary to Gandhi was a fitting analogy.
Clearly they are more interested in making themselves appear appeasing to Muslims than whatever common sense dictates, and screw anybody else who gets hurt by it.
I only wish that these BBC types would be the victims next time there is an attack, then they can learn whether comparing Choudary to Gandhi was a fitting analogy.
Clearly they are more interested in making themselves appear appeasing to Muslims than whatever common sense dictates, and screw anybody else who gets hurt by it.
BBC under fire after Home Affairs Editor Mark Easton ‘compares extremist preacher Anjem Choudary to Gandhi and Mandela’
By Steph Cockroft for MailOnline
The BBC is under fire after the Home Affairs Editor appeared to compare notorious hate preacher Anjem Choudary to Mahatma Gandhi and Nelson Mandela.
Following a lengthy report on last night's BBC News at Ten about Choudary's 'radicalising force', Mark Easton appeared to question whether there were similarities between Britain's most famous extremist and two of history's greatest civil rights campaigners.
Referring to Theresa May's pledge to clamp down on extremism, the journalist said Gandhi and Mandela had been seen as extremists and that those stances 'are sometimes needed to challenge very establish values'.
But outraged viewers slammed the comparison as 'disgusting' while civil rights campaigners said the 'ludicrous' comments gave credence to Choudary's 'complete rejection' of democracy and tolerance.
After a 'special report' which gave further airtime to Choudary and his radical views, Mr Easton said: 'It's one thing to ban someone for inciting hatred or violence, but quite another to pass a law that silences anyone who challenges established values.
'I was in Parliament Square today - a statue of Gandhi looking down at me who was jailed for being extremist; Mandela who was jailed for being an extremist.
'History tells us that extreme views are sometimes needed to challenge a very established values that people at the time hold so dear.'
Adam Deen, founder and executive director of The Deen Institute, a Muslim debating forum and think-tank, said the journalist was trying to make the point that dissenting views are essential in a democracy.
But he said that Choudary's views 'completely reject' democracy and tolerance - the very values by which Gandhi and Mandela's views were inspired.
Mr Deen said: 'I think the journalist's point is underpinned by the view that dissenting views are important for a democracy and that these voices can highlight areas where a society may have gone wrong.
'But the error is that he is assuming that Anjem is arguing in the same way or dissenting in the same way as the likes of Mandela or Gandhi, both of whom were dissenting with a backdrop of views that the establishment already held.
'Unlike Mandela and Gandhi, Choudary completely rejects those values of democracy and tolerance which makes the comparison completely false.
'Anjem rejects democracy, is very anti non-Muslim and is very much anti-western. So to regard Anjem as a legitimate dissenting voice - and to open up this topic, saying that "maybe we've got it wrong to clamp down on his organisation" - is absurd.'
He added: 'Anjem does not behave in the way that he does because he believes in the value of democracy and freedom of speech. It is because he is an extremist Muslim who believes that 'The Good' can only be derived from scripture.'
A spokesman for the Clarion Project, an organisation that challenges radical Islamism and promotes dialogue, added: 'It is ludicrous to compare Anjem Choudary, who promotes the most extreme form of Sharia law which denies entire segments of the population their basic human rights, to human rights champions such as Gandhi and Mandela.
'Choudary’s challenge of “established values” such as “rule of law, democracy, individual liberty, mutual respect and tolerance of different faith and beliefs” has arguably led to more British citizens joining ISIS or committing acts of terror than any other single individual.'
Viewers also expressed their concern over the comments.
One user wrote on Twitter that 'to compare Gandhi with Choudary is not becoming of a respected journalist', while another asked: 'Are you trying to compare the islamist scum in uk to Gandhi and Mandela? If they are your views then they're disgusting?'
Another simply said it was a 'silly analogy'.
A spokesman for the Gandhi Foundation added that it was an 'absurd comparison' because Gandhi took a non-violent approach.
Mark Hoda, chair of the trustees, said: 'By my understanding, Choudary is someone who advocates hate and violence and justifies terrible acts, so I think it is an absurd comparison.
'Of course, there is an issue of extremism being a relative concept but, even though Gandhi may have been seen as an extremist at a certain time, his philosophy was non-violent.
'He was also accommodating of other views, which is different to Choudary who has a narrow view of Islam.'
Mr Easton raised the topic following a special report by security correspondent Gordon Corera which asked: 'Is preacher Anjem Choudary a radicalising force?'
As part of the report, the corporation - which has already given Choudary airtime on several occasions - met with the hate preacher in a cafe, just one day after he warned David Cameron that shutting down mosques could lead to terrorist attacks in Britain.
Mr Corera discussed an announcement by government over changes to extremism laws in a bid to clamp down on radicalisation, which could include banning and dispersion orders for those found to be 'undermining British values'.
Following that, Mr Easton added: 'Against a background of hundreds of Muslims heading off to fight and with people like Choudhary whose rhetoric is encouraging them to go, the government thinks this needs (the new laws) to take place.'
Whereas Mandela and Gandhi fought to free those unfairly oppressed by state rule, Choudary is infamous for praising the Islamic State, calling the 9/11 terrorists 'magnificent martyrs' and saying that Woolwich terror victim Fusilier Lee Rigby would 'burn in hellfire'.
Gandhi led India to independence and inspired movements for civil rights and freedom across the world, but was imprisoned for many years in both South Africa and India
The British also jailed Mahatma Gandhi, under Prime Minister Lloyd George, for sedition due to his views.
Nelson Mandela famously fought for the overthrow of the South African state during Apartheid. Margaret Thatcher described his party, the African National Congress, as 'a typical terrorist organisation'.
Choudary, a trained lawter, is a figurehead for a proscribed group which calls for Sharia Law to reign in UK. Yesterday, he claimed that Ms May's extremism laws would 'criminalise young people for upholding the values of freedom of religion and expression.'
The 48-year-old said: 'Are you going to start putting Communists in jail because they believe in a different way of life - where is it going to stop? I will continue to speak out against Draconian laws and injustices and snooper's charters.
'They are trying to silence anyone who is opposed to the government's foreign policy. The Conservative government is at war with Islam and Muslims.'
Choudary, who founded the radical Islamic group Al-Muhajiroun 20 years ago which was later banned, is seen as a recruiting sergeant for Britain's radical Muslims.
He was one of nine men held in a series of co-ordinated dawn raids by counter terrorism police in September last year.
All the men were held on suspicion of being a member of, or backing a banned terrorist group and supporting terrorism.
The alleged offences, which come under two counter- terrorism acts, carry a maximum penalty of seven years' imprisonment.
Choudary was arrested at an unknown location after fleeing his home in the middle of the night in the wake of threats from far-Right groups.
Just hours before he was held, he posted a burst of nine inflammatory messages on Twitter, branding US bombing raids in Syria as a 'rallying call for Muslims' and labelling the actions of Western governments in Muslim countries as 'terrorism'.
Since then he has remained on bail.
A 2013 report by campaign group Hope Not Hate labelled groups linked to Choudary as the 'single biggest gateway to terrorism in recent British history', and claimed he was the link between groups who encourage the safe passage of British and European Muslims into Syria where they join Al Qaeda-linked forces.
It also suggested that he should be considered a 'serious player' in the promotion and recruitment of young Muslims to terrorist cells.
A BBC spokesman said: 'The news story reflected the deep concerns over Choudhary and the extent of his influence and Mark Easton reiterated that point in his live broadcast. He then made a wider point that the definition of extremism can change over time.
'He was not suggesting that the views of Anjem Choudary will be thought of differently in the future and we believe this was clear to the viewer.'
- Mark Easton discussed government's new terror laws on BBC News
- It came after a special report on whether Choudary is a 'radicalising force'
- Civil rights campaigners said apparent comparison was 'completely false'
- Outraged viewers also say Mr Easton's comments are 'disgusting' and 'silly'
By Steph Cockroft for MailOnline
The BBC is under fire after the Home Affairs Editor appeared to compare notorious hate preacher Anjem Choudary to Mahatma Gandhi and Nelson Mandela.
Following a lengthy report on last night's BBC News at Ten about Choudary's 'radicalising force', Mark Easton appeared to question whether there were similarities between Britain's most famous extremist and two of history's greatest civil rights campaigners.
Referring to Theresa May's pledge to clamp down on extremism, the journalist said Gandhi and Mandela had been seen as extremists and that those stances 'are sometimes needed to challenge very establish values'.
But outraged viewers slammed the comparison as 'disgusting' while civil rights campaigners said the 'ludicrous' comments gave credence to Choudary's 'complete rejection' of democracy and tolerance.
After a 'special report' which gave further airtime to Choudary and his radical views, Mr Easton said: 'It's one thing to ban someone for inciting hatred or violence, but quite another to pass a law that silences anyone who challenges established values.
'I was in Parliament Square today - a statue of Gandhi looking down at me who was jailed for being extremist; Mandela who was jailed for being an extremist.
'History tells us that extreme views are sometimes needed to challenge a very established values that people at the time hold so dear.'
Adam Deen, founder and executive director of The Deen Institute, a Muslim debating forum and think-tank, said the journalist was trying to make the point that dissenting views are essential in a democracy.
But he said that Choudary's views 'completely reject' democracy and tolerance - the very values by which Gandhi and Mandela's views were inspired.
Mr Deen said: 'I think the journalist's point is underpinned by the view that dissenting views are important for a democracy and that these voices can highlight areas where a society may have gone wrong.
Unlike Mandela and Gandhi, Choudary completely rejects those values of democracy and tolerance which makes the comparison completely false
Adam Deen, founder of the Deen Institute, a Muslim debating forum and think-tank
Adam Deen, founder of the Deen Institute, a Muslim debating forum and think-tank
'Unlike Mandela and Gandhi, Choudary completely rejects those values of democracy and tolerance which makes the comparison completely false.
'Anjem rejects democracy, is very anti non-Muslim and is very much anti-western. So to regard Anjem as a legitimate dissenting voice - and to open up this topic, saying that "maybe we've got it wrong to clamp down on his organisation" - is absurd.'
He added: 'Anjem does not behave in the way that he does because he believes in the value of democracy and freedom of speech. It is because he is an extremist Muslim who believes that 'The Good' can only be derived from scripture.'
A spokesman for the Clarion Project, an organisation that challenges radical Islamism and promotes dialogue, added: 'It is ludicrous to compare Anjem Choudary, who promotes the most extreme form of Sharia law which denies entire segments of the population their basic human rights, to human rights champions such as Gandhi and Mandela.
'Choudary’s challenge of “established values” such as “rule of law, democracy, individual liberty, mutual respect and tolerance of different faith and beliefs” has arguably led to more British citizens joining ISIS or committing acts of terror than any other single individual.'
Viewers also expressed their concern over the comments.
One user wrote on Twitter that 'to compare Gandhi with Choudary is not becoming of a respected journalist', while another asked: 'Are you trying to compare the islamist scum in uk to Gandhi and Mandela? If they are your views then they're disgusting?'
Another simply said it was a 'silly analogy'.
A spokesman for the Gandhi Foundation added that it was an 'absurd comparison' because Gandhi took a non-violent approach.
Mark Hoda, chair of the trustees, said: 'By my understanding, Choudary is someone who advocates hate and violence and justifies terrible acts, so I think it is an absurd comparison.
'Of course, there is an issue of extremism being a relative concept but, even though Gandhi may have been seen as an extremist at a certain time, his philosophy was non-violent.
'He was also accommodating of other views, which is different to Choudary who has a narrow view of Islam.'
Mr Easton raised the topic following a special report by security correspondent Gordon Corera which asked: 'Is preacher Anjem Choudary a radicalising force?'
As part of the report, the corporation - which has already given Choudary airtime on several occasions - met with the hate preacher in a cafe, just one day after he warned David Cameron that shutting down mosques could lead to terrorist attacks in Britain.
Mr Corera discussed an announcement by government over changes to extremism laws in a bid to clamp down on radicalisation, which could include banning and dispersion orders for those found to be 'undermining British values'.
Following that, Mr Easton added: 'Against a background of hundreds of Muslims heading off to fight and with people like Choudhary whose rhetoric is encouraging them to go, the government thinks this needs (the new laws) to take place.'
Whereas Mandela and Gandhi fought to free those unfairly oppressed by state rule, Choudary is infamous for praising the Islamic State, calling the 9/11 terrorists 'magnificent martyrs' and saying that Woolwich terror victim Fusilier Lee Rigby would 'burn in hellfire'.
'Choudary’s challenge of “established values” has arguably led to more British citizens joining ISIS or committing acts of terror than any other single individual
Clarion Project, an organisation that challenges radical Islamism
Clarion Project, an organisation that challenges radical Islamism
The British also jailed Mahatma Gandhi, under Prime Minister Lloyd George, for sedition due to his views.
Nelson Mandela famously fought for the overthrow of the South African state during Apartheid. Margaret Thatcher described his party, the African National Congress, as 'a typical terrorist organisation'.
Choudary, a trained lawter, is a figurehead for a proscribed group which calls for Sharia Law to reign in UK. Yesterday, he claimed that Ms May's extremism laws would 'criminalise young people for upholding the values of freedom of religion and expression.'
The 48-year-old said: 'Are you going to start putting Communists in jail because they believe in a different way of life - where is it going to stop? I will continue to speak out against Draconian laws and injustices and snooper's charters.
'They are trying to silence anyone who is opposed to the government's foreign policy. The Conservative government is at war with Islam and Muslims.'
Choudary, who founded the radical Islamic group Al-Muhajiroun 20 years ago which was later banned, is seen as a recruiting sergeant for Britain's radical Muslims.
He was one of nine men held in a series of co-ordinated dawn raids by counter terrorism police in September last year.
All the men were held on suspicion of being a member of, or backing a banned terrorist group and supporting terrorism.
The alleged offences, which come under two counter- terrorism acts, carry a maximum penalty of seven years' imprisonment.
Choudary was arrested at an unknown location after fleeing his home in the middle of the night in the wake of threats from far-Right groups.
Just hours before he was held, he posted a burst of nine inflammatory messages on Twitter, branding US bombing raids in Syria as a 'rallying call for Muslims' and labelling the actions of Western governments in Muslim countries as 'terrorism'.
Since then he has remained on bail.
HOW CHOUDARY HAS LED EXTREMISTS FOR TWO DECADES
Anjem Choudary is most notorious for fronting radical Islamic group Al-Muhajiroun, a group set up in 1986 which has also re-emerged as Islam4UK and Need4Khalafah.
A report revealed earlier this year says half of terror attacks carried out or plotted in Britain involve members of this extremist group.
Author Raffaello Pantucci found that since its formation in the 1980s, the group has been central to Islamic extremism in the UK.
At least one of the bombers who carried out London's 7/7 bombings had met a key supporter of al-Muhajiroun, Omar Khyam, before the attacks which killed 52 people on underground trains and a bus in 2005.
Michael Adebolajo and Michael Adebowale, who murdered Fusilier Lee Rigby in a street in Woolwich, south-east London in 2013, had both attended events organised by the group.
Despite having been banned in 2005, the group has morphed to take on a series of other names, and its influence continues to be felt, with Brustholm Ziamani, who was sentenced in March for plotting an attack inspired by that on Lee Rigby, also having been inspired by al-Muhajiroun.
Research shows that out of 51 attacks and plots carried out or foiled in Britain, al-Muhajiroun had influence in at least 23.
Anjem Choudary is most notorious for fronting radical Islamic group Al-Muhajiroun, a group set up in 1986 which has also re-emerged as Islam4UK and Need4Khalafah.
A report revealed earlier this year says half of terror attacks carried out or plotted in Britain involve members of this extremist group.
Author Raffaello Pantucci found that since its formation in the 1980s, the group has been central to Islamic extremism in the UK.
At least one of the bombers who carried out London's 7/7 bombings had met a key supporter of al-Muhajiroun, Omar Khyam, before the attacks which killed 52 people on underground trains and a bus in 2005.
Michael Adebolajo and Michael Adebowale, who murdered Fusilier Lee Rigby in a street in Woolwich, south-east London in 2013, had both attended events organised by the group.
Despite having been banned in 2005, the group has morphed to take on a series of other names, and its influence continues to be felt, with Brustholm Ziamani, who was sentenced in March for plotting an attack inspired by that on Lee Rigby, also having been inspired by al-Muhajiroun.
Research shows that out of 51 attacks and plots carried out or foiled in Britain, al-Muhajiroun had influence in at least 23.
It also suggested that he should be considered a 'serious player' in the promotion and recruitment of young Muslims to terrorist cells.
A BBC spokesman said: 'The news story reflected the deep concerns over Choudhary and the extent of his influence and Mark Easton reiterated that point in his live broadcast. He then made a wider point that the definition of extremism can change over time.
'He was not suggesting that the views of Anjem Choudary will be thought of differently in the future and we believe this was clear to the viewer.'