Anger over Jesus quote left on BBC website

[Teddy Bear]

While I haven't tried to write anything on the Five Live website forum, on other BBC comment sections ones post is not 'printed' until it is approved by a moderator. As we here well know, where ones comment differs from the BBC angle it has little or less chance of getting approved.

So the fact that those below were accepted shows what the moderators are about. Note the comment about Zionists below that was allowed to remain, can you believe if it was about Muslims in the same derogatory manner it would have been accepted?

Anger over Jesus quote left on BBC website
By Nicole Martin
Last Updated: 4:01am BST 20/08/2007

The BBC was forced to remove statements from its website referring to Jesus as a "bastard" after receiving a string of complaints from religious groups.

Critics claimed the remarks remained on BBC Radio Five Live's online message board for several weeks before the corporation took them down.

"Colonelartist" wrote: "Are you a Christian? You do know that Jesus had to hide all his short life he lived in those promised land because his tribesman used to call him fatherless, ridiculed him for being a B-A-S-T-A-R-D" [sic].

Critics also said anti-Semitic remarks left by a writer known as Iron Naz were allowed to stay on the message board for more than a month. In one posting he said: "Zionism is a racist ideology where Jews are given supremacy over all other races and faiths."

The BBC said the Jesus remarks were on the site for "a matter of days not weeks", and the Iron Naz statements did not merit removal.

While it is not unusual for offensive remarks to be posted on website discussion forums, they are usually removed within minutes by moderators after complaints.

[ascendinglark]

I stopped trying to contribute to BBC comments, they never once printed anything I said, even though it was to me perfectly reasonable and always non-offensive. I just never towed the leftist line, that's all.

How interesting that the same filters that blocked my posts from publication saw the defamation of Christianity as perfectly acceptable. Wow, they're not even trying to hide their bias any more.

[steevo]

I don't attend their message boards but I am very glad they're receiving negative publicity giving more blatant revelation of the BBC's bigotry and hypocrisy.

I found this site The Useful Idiot which is dedicated to exposing more intimate details at the message boards. Here's a couple of examples:

In a strange incident the poster "israhel' (Wendy Mann, Simon21) made a post about "! million killed in Iraq and no-one cares" and it was related to the anti-republican Huffington Post. a complaint was made that it was against the rules to use a blog as a -source for a thread. The Mods said "Nothing wrong with this one" (this anti-American site right-up the BBC's agenda street).

Iron Naz says he never posted anything Antisemitic. Not true. It was removed because the Board of Deputies told the BBC it was. The BBC had to have agreed in order to remove it.

Now he posts MORE Antisemitism by first claiming that "Zionism is simply a version of Judaism". Well since Judaism is the faith of Jews then the following statement "which is highly controversial and racist towards non-Jews" simply states "Jews are racist towards non-Jews".

Obviously, the assertion that "Zionism is a version of Judaism" isn't true but designed to confirm the often-used defence "When I say Zionist I don't mean Jews" - is also often a pack of lies.

Quite clearly, Iron Naz is demonizing Jews as "racist towards non-Jews".

The point is: "Why is Iron Naz allowed to make posts on the BBC website when he had eleven posts removed for Antisemitic content?"

[Teddy Bear]

Honest Reporting had drawn attention to the fact that anti-Semitic comments were permitted on BBC comment sites back in July with this article

ANTI-SEMITISM ON BBC MESSAGEBOARD

Online messageboards offer a valuable forum for discussion and debate on the issues of the day. HonestReporting's own blog, Backspin offers our readers the chance to comment on a variety of stories. With freedom of speech, however, comes the responsibility not to allow unfettered and unmoderated posts that could be libelous, racist or inciteful.

The BBC appears to have difficulty recognising blatant anti-Semitism when it appears on one of their own messageboards. On a BBC Radio 5 Live messageboard thread discussing the Richard Littlejohn documentary The War On Britain's Jews?, Harry's Place blog spotted the following:

Zionism is a racist ideology where jews are given supremacy over all other races and faiths. This is found in the Talmud. There is a law called Baba Mezia which allows jews to lie as long as its to non-jews. many pro jewish supporters will cringe at this being exposed because they know it exists, yet they keep quiet about it, hey frip, jla and co The Law of Baba Mezia!! Tsk tsk tsk! Its in the Talmud.

Demonisation of Zionism and Israel is only too common on such forums. This posting, however, undeniably attacks Jews and Judaism, drawing upon an outright lie employed by neo-Nazis and Islamic extremists. Despite this obvious anti-Semitism, the BBC, following a number of complaints, removed the post, only to replace it with this:

This posting has been temporarily hidden, because a member of our Moderation Team has referred it to the Hosts for a decision as to whether it contravenes the House rules in some way. We will do everything we can to ensure that a decision is made as quickly as possible.

The House Rules state that the BBC reserves the right to fail messages which:

• Are considered likely to disrupt, provoke, attack or offend others
  
• Are racist, sexist, homophobic, sexually explicit, abusive or otherwise objectionable

So why does the BBC even need to make a decision on a posting such as this? Shouldn't anti-Semitism be treated in the same way as other forms of racism?

The Daily Mail has more on the recent messages allowed to be posted. With articles such as these appearing almost daily recently in the MSM tabloids questioning the integrity and standard of the BBC, can the the end be in sight?

BBC forced to removed 'bastard' slur about Jesus from its website
By JASON LEWIS

The BBC has been forced to remove statements from its website referring to Jesus as a 'bastard'.

It is the latest in a string of offensive comments that BBC editors have allowed members of the public to post.

The remarks have been allowed to remain for weeks, despite complaints from religious groups.

Offensive: The comment on the website

It has led to claims that the BBC is allowing its output to be hijacked by extremists while censoring anti-Muslim sentiment.

The remarks about Jesus were left as part of a discussion of the death of the Archbishop of Paris.

The debate had descended into an argument about the merits of Christians, Jews and Muslims when a writer, known as 'colonelartist', posted: "Are you a christian? You do know that jesus had to hide all his short life he lived in those promised land because his tribesmen used to call him fatherless, ridiculed him for being a B-A-S-T-A-R-D...'

He added: "Jesus...was also persecuted because the jews would never accept as their Messiah a person whose father was missing...'

The comments were allowed to remain for a week despite complaints. But after The Mail on Sunday contacted senior BBC officials, they were deleted.

Colonelartist is a regular contributor to the BBC site.

He has also written: "The jews in much remembered concentration camps had even better qualitity of freedom that these palestinians have...'

One website user wanted to see if BBC editors were allowing these offensive remarks to remain while blocking others. He wrote: "No one can surpass the Muslims for denial of their role in Terrorism and Suicide bombing." The remarks were almost immediately deleted.

The BBC has also been criticised for allowing allegedly anti-Semitic posts from a contributor called "Iron Naz'.

In a message left on the site for more than a month, Iron Naz says: "Zionism is a racist ideology where jews are given supremacy over all other races and faiths. This is found in the Talmud...which allows jews to lie as long as its to non-jews."

The remarks brought complaints from the Board of Deputies, the organisation that represents Britain's Jews and its Community Security Trust. They say the post draws on a discredited 19th Century text, the Talmud Unmasked, which is still distributed by neo-Nazi booksellers.

However, the BBC said the remarks did not merit removal.

A spokesman said posts were taken down if they were considered likely to 'disrupt, provoke attack or offend others or are considered racist, homophobic, sexually explicit or otherwise objectionable'.

The Board of Deputies intends to pursue its complaints. Mark Gardiner, of the Community Security Trust, said: "The BBC obviously no longer recognises anti-Semitism. The BBC is a public body, funded by the British taxpayer. It has legal obligations."

Last night the Church of England also criticised the management of the BBC discussion sites noting that "voices of reason, compassion and charity seem to get little look-in".

A spokesman said: "Discussion - including robustly critical discussion - of any faith's doctrines and practices is an important feature of civilised discourse.

"But deliberately or recklessly offensive denigration of those doctrines and practices is unacceptable."

[indikit]

You know what, this one statement on this message board sums it all up for me:

"Welcome to a country called Islam - coming in the next 25 years!"

And on that note, I think I'm going to bow out of all this BBC debate, and look after my own concerns. And my concern now is to find a country to bring my daughter up in, so the time she's in her 20's she won't have to walk around in a veil as a second class citizen.

I admire the way you guys keep this fight going. It's an admirable board. The Biased BBC blog too is a frontal assault on the BBC and a thorn in it's side. But that's all it is. A thorn. Stuck in the side of a giant white elephant that is the British Ruling class. Too many of them on that board just enjoy the opportunity to excercise their own intellects to 'debate' with BBC staff. I use apostrophes around the word 'debate' because you cannot convince the BBC that they are biased or of the inevitable slaughter they are leading this country too, any more than you can convince a Jehova's Witness that there is no god or a Muslim that there is no Allah. But it's a nice little distraction for the BBC. A tiny little cog grinding away against a mammoth machine. Creating little sparks that will never ignite anything. Because the British Public themselves are so impossible to inflame, unless it's something to do with losing the world cup.

This whole thing is beyond debate. It's now the dawn of an all out revolution. But we all know what will come of any civil disobedience that doesn't kowtow to Islam in this country. They'd be shooting white British rioters dead in the streets rather than have our black Muslim buddies served up the same aggression they've been serving us for years.

The BBC and it's cronies will succeed in turning this country into a nation of Islam, because nobody that has the power will stop them. Eventually it will be too late anyway, because all the powerful positions such as the media, the police force and politics will be over-run with this poisonous religion. They're being handed this country chunk by chunk.

There is a hypnotized sickness running through the middle classes, that they must appease aggressors, purely out of their own self-loathing. Reality is currently like living in a global zombie film. It doesn't matter how many of these liberal arse heads you knock down, there will be another twelve million to take their place. Infecting each other with one bite of their media controlled brains.

Pointless debate, on a hiding for nothing. Especially as the lazy, cowering masses that make up this country can put off their own ethnic cleansing until tomorrow, because Eastenders is on the telly and "I just want an easy life don't I?"

Don't worry. When the Muslims get their way and Sharia law is our new constitution; alcohol is banned; watching Big Brother will be punishable by stoning, and anything and everything the British take for granted is removed for them purely off the back of an Allah that doesn't exist, they can do what they do best. Complain and f**king well put up with it.

All it would take would be for a few million people to picket the streets right now. Refuse to pay their TV licence and the BBC and any institution like them would be over. How quaint and simple that will look in 20 years time when we're all forced to sit on grass mats and pray to a Mecca we don't care for.

I'll give the Muslims this. And the ONLY thing I'll give them. At least they actually get out there and DO something about what they believe in. Even if it is just blowing themselves to bits on a tube train, or flying passenger aircraft into skyscrapers. They're fighting a bunch of armchair warriors with REAL bombs. Real threats. Real actions. And they must be laughing all the while they are doing it. If only they realised how easy it would be to Islamify the West they could have done it 50 years ago.

The only way to remotely score even with these evil religious maniacs back would be to start strapping dynamite to ourselves and running in and out of mosques. But of course, the good old British Police / care of her majestys government / care of the liberal media, would soon have all us pesky non-muslims interned in our own gigantic Warsaw ghetto, until such a time came that we could be burned down and beheaded. (There's probably a government office right now, in pursuit of my I.P address, so I can serve a life sentence for my last paragraph).

No thanks. I'm out of this miserable country and away from it's depressing spineless and bone idle population, just as soon as I can find somewhere and I mean ANYWHERE in the world where the people OBJECT to being blown up by religious idiots.

I wish you all the very best of luck, but I totally and wholeheartedly give up! You may be rewarded for your efforts - but on the other hand, you could be publicly stoned to death on the latest prime time BBC reality show in 20 years time:

"Who Wants to Kill An Infidel."

[Teddy Bear]

Wow Indi - I'm stunned.

I can well understand your desire to leave for sunnier shores, in all respects. you're not the first to leave over these kind of issues, and doubtless won't be the last. I can tell you that I will be really sorry not to see you posting here. Your contributions are always valuable, and your style excellent. I hope you will still look in and post your thoughts as and when the mood takes you.

Your points are powerful and well put, and I can certainly feel the passion in your expression. This is why I'd be really sorry to 'lose' you. But I certainly wish you THE VERY BEST OF SUCCESS in whatever land you choose to continue the lives of your family.

I'm glad if we are a 'thorn' in the side of the BBC, because the more there are, the sooner the BBC won't be able to function. One thorn in the right place disables any beast.

I want to tie another point you've made into a conclusion you may not have considered.
You commended Muslims for at least doing something for their cause. However the reason they do these acts is because they are brainwashed to do so. The British are brainwashed to do nothing for the most part, so in effect there are similar dynamics at work.

The question is British pride, and whether this can be used as a lever to force action?

We have seen in recent weeks more and more articles in the MSM relating to corruption, bias, poor quality, etc. of the Beeb. Not that this alone wil be sufficient to bring it down, but the next step is this:
Ridiculing ALL those that in light of the above still pay for it to continue. If the British start realising they have an international reputation for supporting one of the worst public institutions in recent history within our society, will that stir any rebellion or revolt, or demand for an end to it?

Just a thought as a strategy to consider.

i sincerely hope we'll continue to see you around, regardless of whatever future plans you pursue. Whatever, again, I wish you the very best man.

[steevo]

Well Indi we really haven't had personal interchange, for me because I haven't had anything to add to your comments which summed matters up very well thankyou. I will miss you too. I'm tempted to argue against your decision with a sliver of hope but with due respect I won't. I understand and you will probably be proven correct.

For what its worth, I've had to take off from here, months at time. I've come back because frankly its a place to vent irregardless of hope. A tiny home away from home with like-minded gents. It builds up inside over an ever-present reality that I cannot escape. This isn't so much a breath of fresh air as it is a reaffirmation. Maybe because I'm not strong enough.

All the best... Steve

[Teddy Bear]

Another article on the subject from The Telegraph. It's worth checking the link and reading the comments posted there as well.

Terror victims are BBC licence-payers, too
Last Updated: 12:01am BST 20/08/2007

Over the weekend, the BBC was forced to remove a highly offensive message about Jesus from its website.

All websites run the risk of being defaced by extremists, but why had this message been allowed to remain there for a week, despite complaints?

Anti-Muslim comments vanish instantly. Meanwhile, it emerged yesterday that the BBC has refused to allow Casualty to carry a storyline featuring a terrorist attack by a Muslim suicide bomber. The editorial guidelines department decreed that, instead, the terrorists should be animal rights extremists.

BBC's coverage of Islamic affairs has been unsatisfactory for many years.

In its international and domestic news reporting, the corporation has consistently come across as naïve and partial, rather than sensitive and unbiased. Its reporting of Israel and Palestine, in particular, tends to underplay the hate-filled Islamist ideology that inspires Hamas and other factions, while never giving Israel the benefit of the doubt. (Disgracefully, the BBC is still refusing to publish the Balen Report, which it commissioned to investigate allegations of anti-Israel bias.)

In its coverage of British Muslims, the BBC has been inspired by two laudable aims: to treat their beliefs respectfully; and to avoid stereotyping ordinary Muslims as terrorist supporters. In the process, however, it has done two rather different things.

First, it has presented Islam on its own terms, as if only Muslims had the authority to describe their religion.

Mohammed remains an intensely controversial figure. Yet the BBC shies away from proper historical investigation of "the Prophet", as it insists on calling him.

Second, the BBC has only scratched the surface of one of the biggest news stories of the decade: the penetration of Muslim youth by Islamic supremacist groups.

Indeed, the corporation has even helped this to happen.

Again and again, it has wheeled on Islamic "moderates" who belong to hard-line sects that real moderate Muslims are desperate to stop their children joining.

It has been left to Channel 4 to conduct undercover investigations in radical mosques and to commission a 2007 GFK/NOP opinion poll revealing that almost a quarter of British Muslims believe that the Government helped stage the London bombings of July 7, 2005.

We live in a world in which, although the vast majority of Muslims are not terrorists, the vast majority of terrorists are Muslim.

Younger BBC programme-makers are aware of this awkward fact; the problem lies with an older generation of executives stuck in a PC timewarp. Casualty is fiction, but that is no excuse for constructing a politically acceptable parallel universe.

To ban a storyline featuring Islamic terrorists not only misrepresents reality; it is also an insult to licence-payers whose family, friends or colleagues were blown to pieces on July 7 - and not by animal rights activists.

[johnbull]

In regards to Indy's post. I'm a relatively new member to this forum, and as someone who agrees with much of what you have to say Indy, I share Ted's and Stevo's sentiments on your announcement and wish you all the best.
I understand exactly how you feel, and have wrestled with the same emotions brought about by the same analysis of our current situation. I considered emigrating too, but where could I go and still be who I am? And if I made that sacrifice and found a place where I could raise my children in peace and freedom, how could I be sure that in 25 years time they would not be facing the same evil that we face today. If Great Britain was allowed to fall, would anywhere be safe? For the enemy will be far stronger then than they are now. And they will not stop until they have achieved global domination.
A book I read recently, "The Principle of Duty", by David Selbourne helped me to understand and focus on the fundamental problems we face today in our society. It awakened in me a latent sense of duty. A duty to myself, to my family and to my country, a duty to those who have gone before and a duty to those who will follow.
As a result I have decided to stay in this country and make my stand here. I was born here and the bones and blood of my ancestors lie in this soil. It is my birthright and it is worth fighting (and dying) for.

I believe the key to success lies in English Independence. There is a growing anger and resentment about what has been done to us, that the media tries to hide or ignore. Many people have made the mistake of underestimating the English in the past. The constant attacks on all things English and the constant promotion of all things foreign in our homeland is causing a revival of national identity. These feelings will find an outlet. Those who have sowed the seeds should be prepared to reap the whirlwind. The English have a right to national self-determination, and they have a right to defend themselves from those who would enslave them.
The task ahead is not an easy one, and our freedom can only be achieved through suffering and sacrifice. However the alternatives are either annihilation or perpetual servitude and shame.
We can draw strength and inspiration from our history, which is full of great and glorious deeds. We can also draw strength from the faith and religion that sustained our forefathers through their darkest hours and led them in the end to victory. Our enemies on the other hand were born into bondage, nothing more than slaves to the foulest and most soul destroying tyranny that has ever darkened and stained the pages of history.
Our cause is just! And in the words of Winston Churchill, "We shall fight to the end, be it bitter or glorious, nay if it be to the end, it can only be glorious.".
So good luck in whatever you choose to do and don't lose heart, for whatever fate may befall us, Good will triumph over Evil in the end.

[ascendinglark]

It pains me to see what's going on in England, but it's not just the threat from Islam. It's the emergence of sub-human savagery in general. The sub-humans don't win by merit or by ability, they win by default when those who are supposed to protect us from them are spineless and cowardly and politically correct. The left is responsible for actually encouraging such behavior by asserting moral equivalence and claiming that objective values are "immoral" - while the right is guilty of not standing up to leftist idiocy and of outright apologizing for their superior sense of morality.

When nobody defends capitalism, then socialism rushes in not by merit but in order to fill the vacuum, by default. Similarly, when nobody defends decent human values then the sub-humans take over.

I notice that an 11 year old kid was shot dead in Liverpool yesterday, and what looks like a serious fatal shooting in Hertfordshire reported on the BBC today. If you don't put your foot down now, then the sub-humans WILL win.

[Teddy Bear]

John that's a tremendously stirring piece you've written, and one I couldn't agree with more. I heartily recommend you also post it on relevant comment sections on pertaining articles on the various media websites. I believe it could help awaken the so far dormant spirit of the British public.

I forget who wrote it, but it's especially apt today, and ties both John's and AL's posts; 'all that has to happen for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing'.